THE CAPITALIST THREAT - by George Soros (1997)

Atlantic Monthly ^ | February 1997 | George Soros

[Stallone]

His conclusions are not supported by his arguments, and his premises are devoid of relevance to the debate.

Soros states that a free and open market is not exactly like fascism and communism but in today's environment the greater threat to society.

I humbly offer that Soros is not exactly like a Socialist liberal lunatic and scumbag Islamonazi terrorist but in today's environment he is the far greater threat to society.

[GOP_1900AD]

Bump.

[chilepepper]

I always felt Clinton was moving us inexorably in that direction: Gore would have accelerated the process.

We got lucky with Bush winning in 2000 -- one more chance for the American people to wake up a bit. The rest of the world is pretty far gone in the direction of the UN One-World/MIR plan the socialist elites are trying to foist upon us.

The Kyoto treaty that Gore was so anxious to sign off on (and is now -- surprise surprise -- seen to have been based on falsehoods and careful selection of only data that agreed with the fraud known as global warming) is/was the watershed indicator as it clearly cedes major chunks of national sovereignty to the UN

[hchutch]

It's very simple. He laid low early, and built up the resources. He then began to lay the groundwork for some of his moves.

He's got very few ethical and moral scruples - probably fewer legal scruples than the average person, too. IMHO, he'd sell his mother to a pimp if he thought he'd get away with it. It's all a cost-benefit analysis to him.

The thing to keep in mind is that he has the resources, and more importantly, he has the WILL to use those resources, to put a major hurt on just about anyone's economy. He wants his version of an "open society" - but there won't be much room for those who oppose him.

He's a real piece of work, and you can bet he's made it clear that going after him will carry a heavy price. The more I find out about this guy, the more worried I get.

[Poohbah]

He comes across as some sort of James Bond villain. Wanna bet that he has an amazing secret headquarters?

[hchutch]

No secret headquarters. He has no need to hide away. Instead, he has bought politicians. A surer way to dominate the world than anything Blofeld ever tried.

Particualrly when most of those he can't buy can be intimidated with a threat to put a hurt on their economy via currency manipulation.

[cinFLA]

Instead, he has bought politicians.

He, along with Sperling and Lewis, financed all the pro-drug initiatives and most of the pro-drug web-sites and a bunch of spammers that propagate his pro-drug propaganda. Helping Soros in his drug legalization quest is helping him to achieve his agenda of more UN control, a national police force and TOTAL GUN CONTROL

[Poohbah]

Oh, come on! What's the point of being an evil mastermind if you can't have an expensive secret heardquarters? That's half of the fun!

[cinFLA]

Soros makes his money by engaging in speculative currency trades. His "dog in the fight" is less about the UN and more about preserving international banking secrecy, which is being threatened by the war on terrorism.

He has become bored with the currency market and is setting his sights higher. This is MORE about UN now.

[cinFLA]

It's very simple. He laid low early, and built up the resources. He then began to lay the groundwork for some of his moves.

BUMP!

[hchutch]

Soros ain't in this for fun. He's serious about what he wants.

Besides, secret headquarters can be a major liability - and they don't remain secret forever. Buying and/or intimidating politicans works better, and it gives you a good way to get a heads-up if someone is sniffing around.

[Timocrat]

The time is ripe for developing a conceptual framework based on our fallibility.

What does he think markets do? If ,as he claims socialism, has been thoroughly discredited why are we continually bombarded by the socialist wing of the Democrat party with the need for a National Health Service to cover the "48 million" without health insurance.

Markets are never in perfect equilibrium because of the different assumptions of each market actor. Market prices are best guesses of what is the market equilibrium price.

Laissez-faire ideology denies the instability(of markets)

Rubbish. The only constant about markets is change - caused by technological advances,advances in education etc etc.

The Cold War was an extremely stable arrangement.

Oh sure - if you ignore China going communist, the Berlin airlift, the Korean War, the Hungarian uprising, the communist Chinese takeover of Tibet, the Cuban missile crisis, the Vietnam War, the Sandanistas in Nicaragua, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Pershing missile crisis, various communist and quasi communist terrorist groups in Europe and the United States.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

I thought you might find this of interest

[timberlandko]

Having insulated himself from the need to compete, Soros seeks now to preclude others from competing. The Cold War is not over, it merely has entered a new phase. The opponents are not The US and The Soviet Union, by virtue of the collapse of the Soviet Union. The conflict now is between the US and the heir and default successor to The Soviet Union, The UN, which has assumed the role of antagonist to The US. Soros has chosen sides.

[haroldeveryman]

“In social and political affairs the participants' perceptions help to determine reality. In these situations facts do not necessarily constitute reliable criteria for judging the truth of statements. There is a two-way connection -- a feedback mechanism -- between thinking and events, which I have called "reflexivity." I have used it to develop a theory of history.”


People who want to regulate our lives love to come up with theories to the effect that the rules of logic don’t work , or that the observations that are being subjected to logical analysis are illusory. Once they can get us to believe this then anything goes on the part of the controllers or regulators, i.e., rulers need not be bound by any moral consideration or law of nature. This opens the way for rule by fear and physical force.

I believe that this is the effect (although apparently not the intent) of ideas such as Soros’ “Reflexivity” theory.

Soros grants us that objective analysis ( subjecting observed facts or data to the rules of logic) work in the hard sciences but declares that this has no place in human affairs. The effect of this is having to accept the idea that the universe is at the mercy of our not knowing what the meaning of “is” is, or “she had sex with me but I didn’t have sex with her”, whenever it suits those in power.

Economics (including the “markets”) utilizes scientific methodolgy. There is no claim on its participants that markets are magical or that they represent an ultimate truth. Markets represent a collective judgment by the investors, each of whom has some degree of insight or specialzed knowledge, that consistently beats that of most high profile “experts”. The “dismal science” of economics is less precise than the hard physical sciences since it attempts to predict mass human behavior. But like other sciences, the errors it makes tend to be self correcting, since, for example, investment decisions, are constantly under critical review by its participants. Thus, while the stock market bubble of 1996 to 2000, while driven to excesses by hype and wishful thinking, led to supply of telecom equipment internet services, etc. far outrunning demand, the effect was temporary. The investors, mindful of their own selfish interests, soon realized that they had been had and “the market” corrected itself, albeit painfully. Compare this crisis with the chickens coming home to roost on the Soviet Union after 70 years of misery and centralized regulation. TALK ABOUT UNSTABLE!

[johnfl61]

Treasonous Poison coming from a traitor to the US.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

"A growing international movement has recognized the potential benefits promised by global capital controls. The Belgium presidency has declared an intention to push for such a system through the European Union, and the French Prime Minister Jospin and Indian Prime Minister Vaypayee have also announced their support, as have the parliamentary German Green Party, The Finnish governing coalition, working groups within the UN, the World Council of Churches, the AFL-CIO, the German Confederation of Trade Unions (DGB), and international financier George Soros.[33] A system of capital controls would make it possible to stop international money laundering (which the IMF estimates drains away 2-5 percent of the world’s income), and squelch corruption – especially in poorer countries where warlords or kleptocrats drain essential investment, A tiny fee of the kind charged by the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) in the US could discourage the dangerous market volatility that comes from speculative investors seeking tiny increases in short-term returns.[34] A levy of one penny on every million dollars in international financial transfers would not discourage any productive investment, but would raise more money than the UN estimates is required to provide for basic health, nutrition, education, and water sanitation to the 1.3 billion people on the planet who live without.[35]



Instituting an international capital control system would require the political will by powerful countries to use international organizations to force their members to comply with stricter rules for more transparent monitoring and"

http://www.nautilus.org/virtual-diasporas/paper/Baxandall.html

[Dan from Michigan]

"Controls". "Levy", "fee"

Let's call it for what it is. A TAX.

[alrea]

Currency speculators are, by their nature, shady characters without especially firm codes of ethics. They frequently have to procure information not generally available to the public; said information is often found in the hands of goobermint employees or elected officials.

Soros distinguished himself at finding inside information and influencing government corruption. The major difference now is that he is old and less capable.

He's forgetting that most of Europe was slave labor for 50 years and that Hitler nearly killed several million more people.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

And the name Soros was in the right location: Right after the U.N.

I wonder how much he is putting to Hillary's campaign.