[zeugma]

I alway's figured that if a pig won't touch it then neither would I.

I'd have to say that them are words to live by!

It will be interesting to see how long it takes for someone to isolate the active ingredient and synthisize it. Two-day trips would be even longer than high-quality LSD. I'm sure there would be quite a few folks that would be interested in that.

I don't know what to say about the alleged dangerousness of this drug. The government doesn't have a very good record of honesty in regards to recreational chemicals. If the stuff is as potent as they claim, it won't catch on except in very limited quarters, and even in that case, is probably more an example of evolution in action than anything else.

[Lee Heggy]

The active compounds in Datura are variable in potency according to where it grows and at what time of the year. The effects vary by body weight and amounts ingested. A non leathal dose would be very much hit or miss. Most likely the latter. Unlike other hallucinogens that affect the senses yet allow some degree of thought process Datura scrambles the brain. Real brain damage can occur.

Horses are about the only animal that will unknowingly eat the stuff. Mules won't touch it. Guess they're just smarter than horses or people.

[nw_arizona_granny]

The Kingman Daily Miner published the story of the deaths of 2 or 3 girls who died after drinking a tea made from the Datura plant. They were students of the Kingman High School.

This was about 1989, in Kingman, Arizona.

I have read of a child 2 years old who died from eating the seeds.

It grows all over the Arizona desert, does not need water.

In the Yuma area, the tomato hornworm will eat the plant, till there is only coarse stems left.

Thank you for all the knowledge the Freeper group has shared with me. It is often amazing what I learn here.

Yes, this is my first Freeper post, have been lurking for years.

No, I do not have spell check, and more than likely can't see the mistake or may not know how to spell the word and can no longer enjoy using the dictionary, the eyes got old more quickly than they needed too.

Ruth

[adam_az]

I don't know what to say about the alleged dangerousness of this drug. The government doesn't have a very good record of honesty in regards to recreational chemicals. If the stuff is as potent as they claim, it won't catch on except in very limited quarters, and even in that case, is probably more an example of evolution in action than anything else.

The only safe way to consume this or it's relatives like Belladonna is in a highly diluted ointment form, which is how "witches" used it in Europe a few hundred years ago. Algonquin ate it's seeds as part of their coming of age ceremony as well, if I recall. Brugmansia flowers are used ritually by Peruvian shaman types, as well. This is definately a poisonous plant, not one to trifle with.

[tallhappy]

Number one, you are an idiot.

Number two:

It will be interesting to see how long it takes for someone to isolate the active ingredient and synthisize it.

You are ignorant as well. The active ingredients are known, mainly scopalamine and also atropine to a lesser extent. They differ markedly from indole based hallucinogens such as LSD or psilocin.

[FITZ]

I don't know what to say about the alleged dangerousness of this drug.

It's very dangerous. Don't worry about it being just alleged --- it really is. It grows all over around this area and there have been a number of deaths from it.