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To: floriduh voter
florida v- (a chicken!) All researchers: couldnt help but notice the excellent research on Terri done in but a few weeks here; please tell me how you did it, in particular some of the connections made between judge, attorney, and
the Hospice, as well as connections involving certain community groups in the Tampa/Clearwater area.
I would like to find similar information (affiliations, memberships, associates) concerning another judge.(its about the Jason Vale, of apricot seed fame, case- judge has suggested 30 years. his crime is contempt of court- broke contract agreement not to sell apricot products)
could you suggest links for these research tools? Or do you know of a similar 'thread' on jason vale topic?sentence comes soon- time is short- or i wouldnt have interuppted subject. thanks in advance.thylasign@aol.com
1,048 posted on 11/18/2003 12:25:14 AM PST by thylasign (can i join your secret club NOW?)
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To: thylasign
How does one incur a 30 year prison term for "contempt of court"? I don't even think Greer or Baird would do that.
1,050 posted on 11/18/2003 1:14:00 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. An unashamed Godsquadder)
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To: thylasign; Robert Drobot; Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; ...
The number of Terri threads on Free Republic, not counting the ones that were pulled now number 574, with the number of verifiable posts at 67,525. Thank you Robert Drobot for your hard work in compiling that list. Now if we could just get those links working. Sorry, I wouldn't know what to do short of redoing every one. Hope someone can help.

Terri's Threads on FreeRepublic.com - 18 Nov 2003 0351 PST

1,093 posted on 11/18/2003 9:10:52 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: thylasign
"couldnt help but notice the excellent research on Terri done in but a few weeks here; please tell me how you did it, in particular some of the connections made between judge, attorney, and the Hospice, as well as connections involving certain community groups in the Tampa/Clearwater area. I would like to find similar information (affiliations, memberships, associates) concerning another judge"

FReepers putting their heads (and skills) together to try and find a solution to a critical issue. Lots of smart folks around here.

1,134 posted on 11/18/2003 3:52:46 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: thylasign
Just don't use google.

Lexis-Nexis is not cheap, but it is fast.
1,171 posted on 11/18/2003 4:55:33 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the preservation of a free republic.)
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To: All
wow- thanks all, i didnt receive any emails so i assumed that the message was deleted.
well, i would like to know what you all think of this subject, a 30 year old man who had cancer(three times!) and beat it - he took apricot seeds and apparently he believes that the seeds cured him.
he sells and promotes the seeds, as well as an apricot seed extract, "laetrile", legal in Arizona and used as a cancer therapy in Mexico and Germany.
FDA has dealings with him- in the first time he is hauled to court, Jason signs an agreement (contract) basically a cease and desist. HIS LEGAL COUNSEL AT THE TIME ASSURED HIM THAT SINCE THE COURT ORDER ONLY PROHIBITS JASON FROM SELLING THE PRODUCTS AND CLAIMS OF HEALTH BENEFITS, HE MAY CONTINUE LEGALLY IF HE ONLY DOES ONE OR THE OTHER ACTIVITY.
so guess what thats what he does. FDA then, some time later, nails him with undercover bust.
The business address is a post office box in Arizona, which may or may not be skirting the law, but guaranteed, there are plenty of businesses in the mail order industry using post office boxes.
Jason is convicted of three counts of criminal contempt in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 401(3)but you can read that for yourself here in the FDA announcment
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00927.html
and here is part of a letter i received, stating that the judge, John Gleeson, has recommended 30 years for that 3 counts of criminal comtempt of court.
i have not asked permission, but here is a portion:

"The Judge has sent Jason a presentencing report requesting 30 years in prison!"

that's a long time.now what gets me is the apparent ambiguous legal status of laetrile, as 'extract' or 'new drug'? the term itself refers to a mix of 2 or three natural chemicals that are present in apricot seed extract.
if 'laetrile' is SO ILLEGAL-why oh why didnt FDA sic the cops on him, bust down his door and 'confiscate' all that contraband?
Judge Gleeson is a promoter of the sentencing guidelines, which promote uniformity in all US court sentencings, according to the crime committed. thus a conviction for drug dealing gets a certain amount of jail time according to the guidelines.
notice tho that the 'drug' aspect is not metioned in the conviction- jason is convicted of 'criminal contempt of court' (violating the cease and desist contract he signed im sure it was voluntarily, in the previous case),only. not of possesing 'laetrile'.
if 'contempt of court' is such a crime, you may as well lock me up (i bet there are a lot of people who woudl like to see that happen ;) )because i am starting to develop quite a case of it.How many street drug pushers are given 30 years- now there is a drug proven dangerous to health. how many people have been killed and how many families ripped apart by street drugs?Jason is 30 and will be 60 years old by the time he gets out.
why did jason's legal counsel imply that the apricot seed/laetrile home business coudl continue if he only dissociate the product line from his promotion of the health benefits? looks like entrapment to me.
Judge Gleeson sentences Jason Vale on December 19. thats not so far away. i feel for that family. that is why i mention this- not to take away from the Terri thread, but the people here have done an excellent job of pulling up possible connections between a judge, lawyer, and (suprise) a health care organization.
it has been pondered that Judge Gleeson may have similar connections, to (and this is pure speculation)pharmaceutical, medical, or WHOever would not want apricot seeds/laetrile promoted as a cancer therapy.
i dont think that is it, i speculate that it lies with the FDA itself, or a link between FDA and some unknown interest. it looks like a favor to me.
here is that FDA sentencing link again. and here is a list of the people proud enough to put their names on it.
so without taking anything more away from Terri's thread- how do i start a new one on the Jason Vale case? email me
if you wish at thylasign@aol.com and i am only occasionally at a computer.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00927.html


Peggy Long, U.S. Attorney's Office

Jason Brodsky, FDA Office of Public Affairs

ROSLYNN R. MAUSKOPF , United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York

MARK B. McCLELLAN , M.D., Ph.D., Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA),

United States District Court Judge John Gleeson in Brooklyn

Assistant United States Attorneys Charles S. Kleinberg and Patricia Pileggi. Marc L. Caden, Associate Chief Counsel to for Enforcement, is assigned to the case from the FDA.






1,232 posted on 11/30/2003 7:40:28 PM PST by thylasign (can i join your secret club NOW?)
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