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L.A. Dodgers' Gagne Wins Cy Young Award
Phil Enquirer ^
| Nov 13, 2003
| Phil Blum
Posted on 11/13/2003 2:06:46 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
strange prizing - $75,000 for 2nd and 100,000 for 3rd
wtf?
To: doug from upland
Excellent choice. He had like 130ks in 82 innings.
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posted on
11/13/2003 2:12:20 PM PST
by
Keyes2000mt
(Pray for Rush)
To: doug from upland
I haven't followed the Dodgers very much this year, but I remember reading somewhere that Gagne's numbers are a bit misleading because he was never actually sent into a game this year with an inherited runner on base. I'm wondering if this is true.
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posted on
11/13/2003 2:12:28 PM PST
by
Alberta's Child
("To freedom, Alberta, horses . . . and women!")
To: Republicus2001
guys have different bonus provisions written into their contracts. That's not money that comes directly with the award, just whatever they negotiated in the event they place.
To: Republicus2001
That, I believe, is what the different teams offered those players as bonuses for winning awards. I don't think any cash prizes are actually given out by MLB for winning. Many players have clauses in their contracts that give them monetary bonuses for making the All-Star team, wininng the Cy Young, etc.
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posted on
11/13/2003 2:15:10 PM PST
by
TheBigB
(One picture is worth a thousand dollars, but the sheep has to be wearing lipstick.)
To: Republicus2001
strange prizing - $75,000 for 2nd and 100,000 for 3rd And Nothing for first. It's just a difference in their contracts. The bonuses are given by the teams not by Major League Baseball.
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posted on
11/13/2003 2:15:48 PM PST
by
Keyes2000mt
(Pray for Rush)
To: Keyes2000mt
I respectfully disagree. Closers should get the closer's award--the Fireman? Starters should get the Cy. Facing 3-5 batters a game is nowhere near the same thing as 30+ at bats per game. It's a ridiculous comparison.
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posted on
11/13/2003 2:15:59 PM PST
by
Huck
To: Sabertooth
One for the Good Guys!
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posted on
11/13/2003 2:19:08 PM PST
by
PRND21
To: Alberta's Child
No clue. I have not been to a Dodger game since the wife beating coke head Darryl Strawberry was being cheered for winning a game with a homer. No thanks.
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posted on
11/13/2003 2:20:41 PM PST
by
doug from upland
(Why aren't the Clintons living out their remaining years on Alcatraz?)
To: Huck
Relative comparisons NEED be made, not avoided. A starter gets to pitch in blow-outs; a closer never does. A closer can go day after day, a starter can't. It's just a difficult comparison. But shying away from it is like the clown sportswriters who refuse to vote a pitcher MVP. Just because it isn't easily laid out in front of them doesn't give them the right to avoid thinking.
To: Huck
Russ Ortiz should've gotten more votes than he did.
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posted on
11/13/2003 2:22:29 PM PST
by
TheBigB
(One picture is worth a thousand dollars, but the sheep has to be wearing lipstick.)
To: Alberta's Child
"I haven't followed the Dodgers very much this year, but I remember reading somewhere that Gagne's numbers are a bit misleading because he was never actually sent into a game this year with an inherited runner on base. I'm wondering if this is true."
No, that's not true.
I am thrilled by this choice, which was truly deserved!
To: Hegewisch Dupa
I don't think pitchers should be MVPs. They should win Cy Youngs. Unless they are closers. Simple.
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posted on
11/13/2003 2:35:17 PM PST
by
Huck
Too bad John Smoltz got hurt, else he would be the winner. But playing healthy is part of it also.
To: GOPrincess
You are correct. He will probaly go down in history as the best releiver ever when he is done.
To: doug from upland
Finally something for us Dodgers fans to be happy about.
To: doug from upland
Now let's go sign Tejada and Javy Lopez.
To: doug from upland
I'm an American League fan, so the only time I saw Gagne pitch this year was when he blew the lead in the All-Star Game!
To: Huck
Simple, sure, but wrong. No offense, I don't mean to lash out at you, this is just an old pet-peeve of mine. The sportswriters who refuse to vote for pitcher for MVP are doing a disservice to their ballot. They have no business filling one out - the instructions on the ballot clearly state that they should consider pitchers. They are akin to activist judges who know better than the rest of us and have to prove it by acting outside of the system they pretend to be protecting.
But for closers a pitcher who can be used in in almost half your games, in high-pressure situations, with nearly 100% effectiveness if you arent telling me that is invaluable, you dont understand the game. What manager wouldnt want such a powerful tool at his disposal?
Pretending starters cant be compared to closers, or pitchers to position players, is nonsense. Its like saying its impossible to compare a good hitting, iron-gloved right fielder to a cancer bat, Golden Gloved speedster right fielder. The relative merits of hitting, base running, fielding and yes, even pitching, CAN be compared, and for the writers making decisions MUST be compared, as per the rules of the various awards. Too often people get intimated because these comparisons are complex, multi-level and fuzzy. But to paraphrase some funny talking dead guy, We make these comparisons not because they are easy, but because they are hard.
Bless ya if youre still reading this. A couple real quick answers to the pitchers cant be MVP argument. One if we were picking teams, would you not chose a pitcher high in your wish list? If not, Id hope you were an opponent in my league. If so, does that not say something about how valuable pitchers are to you? But even more powerful and argument Two: If you played left field for the New York Yankees, they would still win games. Not as many, sure, but some. Even with you going 0 for every night, and dropping the Bad News Bears share of pop ups. They could still pull some victories out despite of you. Now if you pitched for the Yanks they would never, ever, EVER win a game. You would be 0 for life, assuming they kept you in long enough, which theyd have to for the purposes of the example. Theres a reason shortstops dont have win/loss records. If this doesnt show you some idea of relative worth, well then I cant help you.
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