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To: justshutupandtakeit
"No, defending your rights has nothing to do with it. Throwing all your rights in the toilet in a hissy fit over the constraint in one makes one part of the lunatic fringe."

Your solution is to surrender them one at a time. No thanks.

"You haven't stated ONE fact to refute anything I have said. In fact, this whole thread is based on the supposition that Bush will do something when IT WON'T EVEN COME TO A VOTE IN THE HOUSE. Hysteria for nothing."

That is your take that it won't come to a vote. Can you or any one else guarantee that? No. There is nothing wrong with warning Bush of the outcome of his signature is. I'm sorry that you can't handle it.

"True patriots are those citizens who understand that the nation is under attack by its deadly enemies, the Islamic terrorists, and who rally around the President as he tries to handle this deadly threat. Such people understand that NO president will do EVERYTHING like they want and they understand that the alternatives to Bush would be disastrous."

True patriots realize that the government doesn't disarm it's citizens when it is under attack by outsiders and terrorists who walked across our open borders. Aside from that, that most a terrorist can do is kill me. A far worse fate is to surrender my rights to my own government. I WILL NOT live as a slave. Bush has done some good things and some pretty stupid and offensive things. I've not threatened to withhold my support on any of those issues for the very reason that you state. No one will please me all of the time. This is my line in the sand.

"Just as those who voted for Perot rather than Bush I paved the way for the destruction of American National security and allowed our enemies to buy our most up to date technologies from the Abomination and his eight yrs of treason."

And we survived those years and enough people realized how bad 4 years of algore would have been. But that doesn't mean that we should put up with a pubbie stabbing us in the back on guns. Bush is getting plenty of advance warning. For once, he should strap his domestic balls on and actually veto something that he disagrees with or believes to be unconstitutional. That he promises to sign tells me a lot about him and it ain't good.

"9/11 was one of the rewards the nation reaped from their shortsightedness and political immaturity. The price for such behavior now will be much higher. Those Americans who, after 9/11, recognized Bush is a true leader concerned about our nation were not all Bush supporters in 2000. But now they are."

Maybe for a time, but not all of them remain. You keep calling Bush a 'true leader'. His political skills are showing him to be more like Bill Clinton than George Washington -- he'll do whatever it takes to get him reelected. That makes him a true politician, not a true leader.

555 posted on 11/18/2003 12:01:44 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Badray
I haven't advocated surrendering anything merely not cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I would be willing to wager that no vote will take place in the House or if it does it will be defeated. Bush will not be detered from doing what he promised by the blustering of tiny minorities which never supported him in the first place.

Terrorists have NOT "walked" across our borders they all arrived quite legally. Nor are the American people "being disarmed" by Bush. He is one of the few courageous enough to stand up and say such laws are wrong and ineffectual in achieving their ostensible purpose.

Your concern about tyranny is appropriate but any attack on Bush will only hasten such a thing not diminish its chances.
The alternatives will only hasten the slavery you fear. Yet, that is what you THREATEN Bush with? It is assinine.

After 8 yrs. of selling defense technology to the Chinese, giving the N.Koreans nuclear technology and oil, allowing OBL to establish the means to kill thousands of Americans IN THIS COUNTRY, Gore was only defeated by the grace of God and Free Republic. Had Gore won you could forget it, it would have meant this country was finished. Now we have been given another chance and the ideologues are threatening to turn it over to our enemies once again?

Bush is no Clinton and the inability to understand this is indicative of the shortsightedness and blindness of your position. Just why in hell does the RATmedia hate him with such a passion if he is merely another Clinton? This makes NO sense whatsoever.

He owes NOTHING to the extreme far right. It never supported him preferring instead to chase will-o-the-wisps like Keyes. These are the people threatening most loudly and Bush will rightly pay them no mind. Not that he pays anyone or any group deferential attention. Unlike Clinton he does what he believes to be correct no matter how popular or unpopular. THAT is a leader.
575 posted on 11/18/2003 1:49:15 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Badray
For once, he should strap his domestic balls on and actually veto something that he disagrees with or believes to be unconstitutional.

Let me know if this ever happens, please.

667 posted on 11/20/2003 5:09:38 PM PST by The_Eaglet
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