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To: justshutupandtakeit
Is it better to cut off my nose to spite my face, or vote for someone who will "only" take 1/8" off of it every 6 months or year or week? The "democrats", if left in or returned to power, would eventually outlaw not only the implements for but also the very right to self defense by any means just like it is in London and other enlightened centers of culture now. The question is whether the republicans are different in direction or just in speed.

At the moment, in terms of the old frog in the boiling pot metaphor, it looks like we have a choice of the pot's temp being increast 3 degrees a year or 5 degrees. The ultimate destination is identical, only the timing is different.

Bush has been head and shoulders above the shennanigans of Clinton and others we could name, but on many issues being merely head and shoulders higher than -him- still leaves one deeply buried in the muck and mire. Bush has done very well on some issues but on others he is still only better by comparison.

If the direction can not be changed, if the actual substance of regulations and weight of control can not be reversed, I refuse to be co-opted into deciding how hard to push the accelerator. There are several issues that are showstoppers for me. I refuse to choose the caliber of the bullet used in my execution. I will always vote for my freedom.

Warning: sick but disgustingly accurate analogy to follow:

This can be compared to a family caught in the bondage of incest. The helpless little child is forced to choose the form of her torment each night, not ever given the choice of freedom. The mental and even spiritual damage done to the child by the actual physical activities is often less than the destruction from activily participating in it by choosing the form of the torture.

Bush is not the abuser in the above word picture. He is just one of the least painful of the mostly terrible choices given us by the party politics that choose the presidential candidates for us. I would prefer Bush to many republicans and to any democrat that comes to mind. Of course. Now that we let "our" party get the patriot acts through because they were our guys so we could trust them with the power, we do not dare let the other guys in power because we have a fair idea what they will do with it. We would hand them the instruement of our destruction. Any law must not be judged by how it will be used by our friends, but by how it could be abused by our enemies.

However, unless you can convince me that Bush will actually increase freedom and not just slow the multiplication of regulations and compounding of governmental burdens, Unless you can show that Bush will be in favor of even less abortion and not stop with the PBA ban that may not even get enforced, unless you can show that knife, gun and other restrictions to self defense and community protection will actually decrease under his leadership, unless you can show that he is going in the opposite direction, not just letting off the gas toward socialism and decay and bloated government, I can not vote for him. Not this time.
114 posted on 11/13/2003 2:46:25 PM PST by Geritol (Lord willing, there will be a later...)
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To: Geritol
Only an ideologue can see no difference in the parties. They are essentially hopeless and malcontents who look for any excuse to go off on a tangent. No one can count on them.

Like a man looking for a bride rejects one beautiful girl after another because none are perfect, I don't take them seriously. One is a little too tall, another a little too short, one has a crooked nose another a big nose, one has a gap in her teeth another's teeth are crooked, yada yada yada.
233 posted on 11/14/2003 8:09:26 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Geritol
Any law must not be judged by how it will be used by our friends, but by how it could be abused by our enemies.

Good point.

303 posted on 11/14/2003 10:54:21 AM PST by The_Eaglet
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