The Assault Weapons Ban May Be Bush's Undoing

TooGood Reports ^ | 13 November 2003 | Lee R Shelton IV

[Lazamataz]

You are preaching to the choir, but besides exceptions to the rule like you have posted, the effect of the AW ban has been mostly cosmetic. I got a wonderful Bushmaster (before it was taken from me) that was post-ban and very nice all around.

That said, I am a vehement opponent of the AW ban.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Most intelligent commment, I see you are improving.

[Lazamataz]

Still can't come up with anything to support the LIE that I support gun control laws? Can you?

Now it is my turn to defend tpaine. A lie is generally willful. I believe that tpaine merely made a logical error, without being willful. I think your calling him a liar in this context is out-of-line.

Mistaken, yes. Liar, no.

[Badray]

"For each of the lunatic fringe..."

So, defending my rights now makes me part of the 'lunatic fringe'? You are the lunatic, if that is what you believe.

"...which storms off in a high dudgeon to sulk and whine..."

Who is sulking or whining except you? We are stating fact and you can't handle it.

"Bush will gain 10 true patriots."

1] Define "true patriot"

2] Where will they come from?

3] Stop bloviating and prove it, if you can.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Of course, you are correct but don't expect this to sink into the rock heads here who are so anxious to support conservatives worst nightmare.

The AW ban is based upon fraudulent arguments and is of no value in stopping crime, of course. I never have supported it and never will. Like most, if not all, GC laws it only affects the law abiding.

[xsrdx]

Goofy AW compliant rifle...

Or wicked cool LE/Military ONLY version, prohibited by the AW ban even in semiauto:

This is what your gun shop is missing, thanks the AW ban.

HK PRO

[tpaine]

There is a difference between not caring about a topic and supporting a given position
-laz-

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Some people can rationalize damn near anything, even gun prohibitions.

Others of us have principles. - So it goes.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Most intelligent commment.. I

Hey professor, it wasn't met as a comment.

Justshuuuuuuudup.....

[Dan from Michigan]

I'd rather get one extra vote out of Michigan, Pennsylvania, or Ohio than 10 extra votes from sucker moms from Montgomery County Maryland.....

[Lazamataz]

Your sentences are so packed with positive and negative meanings, that I have to parse them into sentence fragments and address each one. :o)

Of course, you are correct

Thank you, sir. I endeavor to be impartial and logical in my analysis and discussions.

but don't expect this to sink into the rock heads here

Do we really need to go straight to the personal jab? I think you'd do a lot better in getting your idea across if you used less highly-charged descriptions of people. And why describe people at all? Why not deconstruct their argument?

Obviously, I too am guilty of the Ad Hominem, but I try to avoid it whenever possible. I'd rather lay an argument to waste than call someone a choice, if witty, name.

who are so anxious to support conservatives worst nightmare.

I'm too lazy to look it up, and I need to get back to work, but now you are committing a logical fallacy by stating that a withdrawal of support from Bush is an 'anxiousness to support' his opponent.

[xsrdx]

the effect of the AW ban has been mostly cosmetic.

See my #486. You may have considered your Bushie an exception, but the future does NOT look bright - cosmetic compromise can definitely affect function and utility.

You're preaching to the choir

Amen.

[justshutupandtakeit]

There has never been a more "gun friendly" president in office in my lifetime than Bush and it rubs me the wrong way when those impractical and unreliable allies use this as an excuse to dump on him.

Single issue voters are of little value in political planning and I see no reason to coddle them.

Objectively if one is publically attacking Bush he is assisting the RATmedia assaults. That is the reality of the situation whether you like it or not.

His enemies are desperate to destroy him and misguided "conservatives" are a great help to them. They cannot be counted on when the chips are down any more than other single issue voters. A single issue voter is generally one who does not properly evaluate the realities of political struggle. It is not a mark of wisdom.

[Lazamataz]

Some people can rationalize damn near anything, even gun prohibitions.

I'm not sure who you are describing here. I refer you back to my logical explanations. However, pointing out that your logic seems to be in error about a given poster's position(s), in no way relates to my support or opposition to a gun regulation, that is for sure.

Others of us have principles. - So it goes.

Yes. All of us have positions and principles related to them. I don't fault jsuati for not caring too much about gun control. Just because it is my pet issue, it need not be everyone elses. I would expect the same consideration from someone who held a strong abortion position, not to call me unprincipled simply because I do not care much one way or the other on this particular issue.

[The_Eaglet]

What a great Hobson's Choice we have. Pick your poison, folks! It's one heck of an indicator of how successful the Left has been for decades, and what an uphill battle we face.

We should find someone who supports the right to bear arms and support him in a presidential campaign so we won't have to chose between either poison of gun control.

[Lazamataz]

There has never been a more "gun friendly" president in office in my lifetime than Bush and it rubs me the wrong way when those impractical and unreliable allies use this as an excuse to dump on him.

Ronald Reagan.

Single issue voters are of little value in political planning and I see no reason to coddle them.

There is a reason you are not a campaign manager or national coordinator for the Republican Party. :o)

Democrats and Republicans both build winning coalitions of single-issue voters.

[tpaine]

If it crows like a rooster, and chases hens, its a stud chicken, laz.. -- Believe me on this.

[justshutupandtakeit]

He does this sort of hyperbole and use of false extrapolation almost everytime he disagrees with me and I believe him to be a better logician than that.

Actually, I think he enjoys baiting me and swapping insults so I don't really mind when he calls me a liar.

[Badray]

Dan, I understand, but I think that if he keeps pandering to the left to 'take away their issues' that he will lose too much of the base to save his butt. He'll be another one termer like his dad.

[tpaine]

Your own words here belie you.

[The_Eaglet]

If we accept from a Republican Congress and a Republican President that which we would get from a Democrat controlled Congress and White House, where else will the dems go, but further to the left? And if we reward a Republican president with reelection after he signs a ban on guns, why would we expect the GOP to ever care about our issue again or take us seriously

Good point.