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To: Doctor Stochastic
Slavery was made legal in Massachussets in 1641. Was this before or after the Pilgrims and puritans arrived.?

You are right - slavery arrived in south in 1619, pilgrims landed in 1620 (Mayflower compact first govt document in America - Christian document), and there was slavery in the north at first, but it wasn't brought by Christians, and it was later outlawed and it didn't take a war to do it - Christians had it outlawed. If you want to try to make a case that CHRISTIANS brought slavery to America, good luck, you won't be able to do it. The Northwest Ordinance was issued (1789 - same time as 1st amendment was ratified!) that forbade slavery in the NW territories - a Christian document! My point was that slavery really took a foothold in the south but not in the north. It didn't last in the north.

Stonewall Jackson may have taught Sunday School to slave children, but he fought to keep them slaves.

That's not what Jackson said - you must know him beter than he knew himself. Stonewall Jackson fought to defend his homeland - that is clear from his writings, and he believed he was God's instrument. Since he won almost all of his battles and was arguably the BEST GENERAL in the civil war, credence is given to this belief. Try reading a biography.

385 posted on 11/13/2003 12:00:25 PM PST by exmarine (sic semper tyrannis)
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To: exmarine
Are you saying in 1641 that Massachussets wasn't Christian?

You claim that slavery wasn't brought by Christians? Who by then? Moslems? Hindus? Wiccans? The Christian writers of the Constitution recognized slavery as legal (although I would guess that some would have liked to find a way to abolish slavert but couldn't figure out how to do it.)

I know about Jackson (he was an ancestor of mine.) I find it sad that he fought to preserve slavery. There have been many good people with glaring flaws; Jackson was one.
391 posted on 11/13/2003 12:07:16 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: exmarine
How can you possibly try and defend the merging of church and state by using the Pilgrims as an example?
435 posted on 11/13/2003 12:33:15 PM PST by huck von finn
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To: exmarine
Stonewall Jackson fought to defend his homeland - that is clear from his writings, and he believed he was God's instrument. Since he won almost all of his battles and was arguably the BEST GENERAL in the civil war, credence is given to this belief.

Seems to me that the Confederate sentry who shot Stonewall Jackson may also have been God's instrument, to help ensure that the side that wanted to own other human beings lost.
549 posted on 11/13/2003 2:19:03 PM PST by drjimmy
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