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To: exmarine
This is such an outlandish statement, it bears further response.
As part of an effort to escape a religious Establishment.
It was Christians who established our nation on this continent,
Jefferson did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Franklin confessed to doubts. Paine was contemptuous of organized religion. American liberty was by no means an exclusively a Christian effort.
it is Christinaity that gives you your freedom,
The Constitution does that.
it was Christians who abolished slavery (abolitionist movement),
Some "Christians" justified slavery using the Bible.
Christian scientists who made the biggest discoveries in history (Newton, Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, Pasteur, Farraday, etc. etc.)
Copernicus didn't publish until he was on his deathbed. There's little doubt what he thought of the religious Establishment. As for Galileo......
Christian thinkers who had the greatest influence on our founders and founding documents (Locke, Montesquieu, Puffendorf, Grotius, Blackstone),
Paine, Frankin, Jefferson.....
Christians who first settled this land (pilgrims, puritans), Christians who started the first hospitals and orphanages, and on and on.
Puritans seeking religious freedom, Penn who was arrested for preaching in London, ......

-Eric

196 posted on 11/13/2003 10:25:40 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
Jefferson did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Franklin confessed to doubts. Paine was contemptuous of organized religion. American liberty was by no means an exclusively a Christian effort.

Haven't I been over this with you before? Franklin gave GOD credit for the revolutionary war in his speech at the Continental Congress, wherein he quoted 6 bible verses. Some deist!

Jefferson was not an orthodox Christian - you are right - but he played no major role in the 1st amendment and did not attend the Const. convention. Furthermore, he called hismelf a Christian in 1816 - need the quote? He also attended CHRISTIAN church services in the CHAMBERS OF CONGRESS WITH THE USMC BAND! Didn't someone tell Jefferson about the separation of church and state?

Besides these few you mentioned, name more deists! Name just 10 more! I guarantee you can't! Stop trying to mislead people with your history twisting - you cannot make a case that the founders were not Christian, but I can!! I can cite quotes from Hamilton, Jay, Washington, Witherspoon, Hopkinson, Madison, Henry, S. Adams, Gov. Morris, and many more that prove their Christian faith (52 of the 55 attendees at the Const. Convention were active members of their churches - read the register for church membership).

If you want to take this further, I will bury you in quotes. Your points are the same tired old hackneyed points that are repeated over and over by all antichristian revisionists as that is all you got.

241 posted on 11/13/2003 10:41:50 AM PST by exmarine (sic semper tyrannis)
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