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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"When asked when she first realized she was a lesbian, Ellen answered she first knew she was gay when her gym teacher in middle school seduced her."

Um, I'm not sure that actually signifies anything. Might as well say I'm only straight because I had sex in middle school.
27 posted on 11/13/2003 11:30:45 PM PST by fiscally_right
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To: fiscally_right
It "signifies" that while one side of Ellen's mouth insists gays do not seduce children, the other side of her mouth admits her first sexual encounter occurred when her gay gym teacher seduced her as a child.
28 posted on 11/13/2003 11:52:43 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: fiscally_right
..."Might as well say I'm only straight because I had sex in middle school."....

It depends on YOUR reaction to it. If you were abused by someone you TRUST, it could rearrange your outlook on life. If you got a BJ from the local cheerleader, YOU probably didn't think that traumatic. But what if the football coach porked you and said he would kill you if you told? I disagree with the doctor that ALL homo's are sexually abused, but most are. I personally know of 1 that was mentally abused. The point is, their reaction to the abuse is a compulsive obssesive reaction. Some may be alcoholics, some dopers, some want feet or golden showers, it just depends on what self destructive behavior appears to humiliate the victim of the abuse. In short, they want to die from their shame. They ALLLLLL feel like it's their fault they were humiliated. The gays we have today are trying to make things right by saying nothing is wrong. What they need is therapy to convince them it's not of their doing and they should codemn the person that abused them. Alot of times that means they have to admit their family member or a trusted person was at fault. Normally what you find is an enabler that idolizes the person that abused them. Bringing these things into the open is the most difficult thing for these people. It's easier just to take the blame themselves.

I could go on, but you should get the picture from this. Because somebody gets laid when they are 14, it's not the same as someone that has been lied to, abused, and raped, even when they are 20. It depend on how you felt about it. That changes everything. For the record I have 2 in my family. One has hepititis and does drugs, one is in a mental hospital, and the other 4 siblings of the 6, have other problems. One is in prison for drugs, one has been divorced 4 times, and one is an alcoholic we are trying to keep from killing himself. The last of the 4 is my wife. I've been married to her for 32 years and I know all their stories. When people talk about homosexuality, drug abuse, alcoholism, crime, perversion, or sexual abuse, I know what I'm talking about.

29 posted on 11/14/2003 12:26:27 AM PST by chuckles
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