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"Man NEEDS absolutely no carbohydrates - NONE. Redwood has a carbivore type agenda here and he is pulling out all the carbivore lies."

Tell you what, before I walk away from this, even with all the reputable organizations I have quoted and copied/pasted, maybe you can have an observation: What reason do I have to get onto a thread I didn't start, to talk to people I will probably never meet, to voice a minutely marketed opinion about something that won't cure aids or world hunger, and not getting anything out of it but name calling from you, to lie? I have nothing to gain in this by quoting out of my books or using the web because it is in reach. I voiced an opinion based upon studies and using studies, and I get nothing out of it but attempted public degradation from someone I don't know, nor care to if they have this little to offer, by attacking the idea without all the facts. You disregarded the organizations I quoted and posted with "Did a lot of culling to get those ehh."

I probably should hve walked away earlier, but I had some folks like LadySmith asked me some honest questions that I felt I should answer to be honest.

I am walking away now. The last time I "got into a discussion" on a web site about this, it ended the same way. My time is running short on this planet, and I don't have it to waste on people that have nothing to offer but name calling and attacking the messenger rather than reviewing the information I provided. And that is obvious as you have not entered one piece of discussion to repute the John Hopkins or University Med Centers entries. It has all been at me and not the information. Thank you, no thanks. It is no longer an intelligent discussion if it ever was.

I wish you a long life, illness free, and in good health. Sometimes people, who have something to gain, sell used cars under falsehoods and partial truths to make money. That is what I feel to many of the low carb/high protein diet pushers do. Can it work? According to reputable medical organizations, yes. But the price to pay in too many study results, is a little too high for my taste. You can have it.

I wish you a long life, illness free, and in good health. Sometimes people, who have something to gain, sell used cars under falsehoods and partial truths to make money. That is what I feel to many of the low carb/high protein diet pushers do. Can it work? According to reputable medical organizations, yes. But the price to pay in too many study results, is a little too high for my taste. You can have it.

Thank God I discovered low carb because now I will have longer life, I have reversed illnesses directly related to low fat/high carb diets.

That is what many of us here are saying. For a significant amount of us the low fat diet was killing us. Once we started eating a low carb diet we literally felt almost reborn in a way. I know that my health issues completely reversed themselves with a change of diet alone.

I know of diabetics who have basically reversed their diagnosis simply by changing their diet. I know of several people who have lost tremendous amounts of weight with this change in diet without struggling with ever constant hunger, brain fog, mood swings, constant fatigue and with abundant energy.

However, through all of this I have realized that what works for some may not work for others and that is okay. I respect others enough to let them make up their own mind about their diets. However, I will never ever eat low fat fake crappy tasting food again.

I wish you the same and am truly sure you are in better shape than I given your job and opportunities to work out. I have nothing to gain from pushing low-carb. I am glad Atkins did. He persevered, made money (nothing wrong with that), and provided me a better understanding of what natural whole foods are.

I would make one suggestion to you - actually read his books. It makes discussing them easier. At least you didn't call him Adkins!

I wish you a long life, illness free, and in good health.....

If I may be so bold,

Bang your head against the wall sufficient times, and you are rewarded with a knot on the forehead.
You know the level of (in)sanity or innocent ignorance that must be possessed in order to utter the preceding dietary claims. The same principle applies to many arguments on this site.

State your views/credentials/knowledge once, then leave it alone, especially when replies are on their face without foundation or basis. You will then live longer. :-)

This is anecdotal, but here's the results of being on low fat diets for many years. My now aged mother, always on the heavy side, has since the 1960's when she worked in the food service industry and learned about the "benefits" of a low fat diet and exercise, has consistently followed this regimen. She is still 50 lbs overweight, heavily arthritic with deformed and inflamed hands and knees, can hardly walk having required knee surgery and probably needing it in other joints as well. She also has had interstitial cystitis for years, which was alleviated for awhile when she cut out carbs as an experiment (she also lost thirty lbs.) but immediately resumed when she went off the diet. She did not like the idea of eating all that protein and fat, and went back to the starches. I came to call it the Russian peasant diet.
I am convinced that high carb diets cause an arthritis type condition, and can see some of it occurring in myself especially when I splurged around the holidays. My dad, who ate what my mother cooked or served eventually became a diabetic (although it was not diagnosed until just before his death) and developed the most arthritically deformed hands of any person I have seen. None of his relatives had a history of arthritis. Maybe they both had Celiac sprue, but they were so indoctrinated in the benefits of high carb diet that it would have made no difference. I think a person can often clue into the truth by just looking critically at the world around them. Government agencies are too much into the politics of the day to be a source of truth. And very few people can eat according to the official food pyramid without eventually looking like a hog. Maybe that's the goal!!.We are going to be auctioned off by the pound by the government.