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To: quidnunc
Europeans are not highly-esteemed by most here on Free Republic because we've finally figured out where you Euros are coming from and we now consider "Old Europe" — the chocolate makers and cuckoo-clock tinkerers — to be beneath our contempt.

I´m beneath your contempt? Well then why are you wasting your time replying to my comments. Thanks anyway for blessing me with your wisdom. Shall i start crawling in front of the new Herrenrasse mein Führer? Beneath you contempt, don´t make me laugh.

You've irritated one of the most veteran flame warriors on this forum, namely me, and — to paraphrase Harry Truman — if you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.

Oh now i´m trembling with fear. I´m here to discuss this issue. If you want to flame then go on. Freedom of speech remember? I consider flaming as beneath MY dignity.
May i quote Ali G? "Speak to the hand cause the face ain´t listening"
And yes i know this quote is childish, but so are your comments.

...on of the most veteran flame warriors...

I´ll remember that phrase. It´s just too funny.



This is another satire isn´t it? Come on you can´t be serious^^
31 posted on 11/12/2003 2:49:00 PM PST by DeinBabbes
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To: DeinBabbes
This may not say it all, but it says a lot:

Canned Kraut

Gen. Reinhard Guenzel, the head of Germany's Special Forces Command (KSK), got the hobnailed boot on Tuesday. His mistake? He expressed a bit too publicly the sort of Jew-hating sentiment tens of millions of Germans harbor privately.

In a letter to a vicious right-wing extremist who sits in Germany's parliament, the general praised the claim that Jews bear at least as much blame for the bloodshed of the Russian Revolution as Germans do for the Holocaust.

Next, we'll hear from Berlin how Jews planned the Holocaust all along. Just as we hear that Israel is the only terrorist state in the Middle East and that Palestinian suicide bombers who butcher women and children are freedom fighters.

Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's flacks have begun their damage-control effort, insisting that the general's views are rare and isolated. Bull. I lived in Germany for 10 years while serving in the U.S. Army. I speak German. My family's bloodlines are half German. And because of all that, the Germans among whom I lived assumed I shared their bigotry and, eventually, spilled their guts.

It wasn't pretty.

Of course, there are good Germans. Plenty of them. But they live in Philadelphia, not Frankfurt. They or their ancestors all left Germany by 1938. Those who stayed didn't just support Hitler — they loved him and fought for him to the bitter end.

The whopping difference between the Allied occupation of Germany and our occupation of Iraq is that the overwhelming majority of Iraqis welcomed their liberation. We had to force freedom and democracy on the Germans at gunpoint.

They'll never forgive us — no more than they'll forgive Jews for surviving the Holocaust, making a success of Israel against all odds and enriching the United States in virtually every field of human endeavor.

And Germany? In the 19th and early 20th century, German-speaking countries led the world in culture and science. Then they killed or drove away their Jews. The result? Germany's greatest contributions to world culture since 1945 have been Milli Vanilli and Gummi Bears.

What about the charge that the terror in the wake of the Russian Revolution was the work of Jews? Like so many of the Big Lies "made in Germany," there's a tiny grain of truth in it. Yes, Jewish subjects of the Czar played a prominent role in the Russian Revolution. Had I suffered as horribly as Jews suffered under the Romanovs, I'd like to think that I would have been a revolutionary, too.

But Lenin wasn't a Jew. Stalin wasn't a Jew. And just by the way: Hitler, Himmler & Co. weren't Jewish, either, although I fully expect a revisionist historian from Munich or Marburg to argue that they were all secretly manipulated by the International Jewish Banking Conspiracy and guided by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

In Germany today, there's an utterly repulsive movement — ranging from such dreary literary "stars" as Guenter Grass down to Herr Meier behind the wheel of his Opel — to shift the blame for World War II atrocities away from Germany and to insist that the Allies were equally evil.

Tell it to the ghosts of Auschwitz. And Babi Yar. And Warsaw. And, for that matter, Malmedy.

The German resistance? Almost as big a lie as the denial of the Holocaust. Count von Stauffenberg and his fellow aristocrats, whose inept attempt to kill Hitler with a bomb in 1944 is forever cited as an example of German courage, never lifted a finger against the Nazi regime until the Red Army closed in on their hereditary lands in East Prussia. They weren't fighting for high ideals. They were defending their real estate.

The only thing most Germans regretted was that they lost.

And now we hear that it's high time for an end to German guilt, that the present generation had nothing to do with the Holocaust, that Germany paid its dues for its misdeed and, anyway, it was all a long time ago.

Sorry, Fritz. It wasn't long ago. Holocaust survivors just had a reunion in Washington, D.C. When the wind's just right, we can still smell the smoke of the ovens.

And let's not forget that the Third Reich was supposed to last a thousand years. There's no reason why German guilt shouldn't last 500. That's a 50 percent discount.

Oh, sure, making anti-Semitic remarks is a crime in today's Germany. But anti-Israeli remarks are just fine. You've merely got to choose your words carefully. Don't say the J-word. Talk about "Zionists" instead.

The truth is that we're still so close to the Holocaust that, despite all the books, films and debates, we still have not come to grips with just how much the Germans destroyed. The annihilation of the great Jewish cultures and populations of Europe's heartland may have been the single most tragic loss in human history.

What is to be done?

For a start, don't buy German products. The boycott of French wine sent a strong message, but if Americans stopped buying Mercedes, BMWs, Audis and Volkswagens, it would really hurt.

Anyway, German cars of recent vintage have become a lot like the Germans themselves — grossly overrated and unreliable. Let Gen. Guenzel buy one.

(Ralph Peters in the New York Post, November 6, 2003)
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/10058.htm

32 posted on 11/12/2003 3:09:53 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: DeinBabbes
Hey DB -

I'm glad you're lurking and posting on FR. I've spent a lot of time in Europe over the last five years and I'm sorry that there is such large and increasing disagreement across the Atlantic these days. I wish there were more Europeans on FR. I always talk politics when I visit Europe (just like I do here, it's what I like to do) and though I usually encounter a lot of distrust and even disrespect toward America, I also see that Europeans are intelligent, educated, and rational people (for the most part, no more or less as compared to Americans). I think that if more Europeans were exposed to friendly, polite American conservatives (that's a hint to all the rest of you FReepers on this thread, by the way) it would be better for all. Just like I think that Americans can in some cases learn a lot from Europeans. We're the same people at the bottom in many ways. We Americans are more religious and capitalistic and individualistic. But compared to Muslims, Africans, most Asians, etc., etc. our similarities far outweigh our differences. It's a messy, dangerous world and not even the U.S. can afford to tackle all of our problems alone. Let's keep up the dialogue.

Prost!


- rogue yam
33 posted on 11/12/2003 6:55:59 PM PST by rogue yam
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