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1st Marines take a stab at cutting-edge warfare
marinelink ^ | 11-9-03 | Sgt Matthew J. Epright

Posted on 11/09/2003 3:47:18 PM PST by SJackson


Sgt. Lee Senteno of Headquarters and Support Company, 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, takes advantage of a perceived opening while engaged in simulated knife combat with Apache Knife Fighting instructor Robert Redfeather

MARINE CORPS BASE CAMP PENDLETON, Calif.(October 20, 2003) -- He's lethal - and he's free.

Marines at 1st Marine Regiment are taking complimentary training from a Native American master of bladed warfare.

"None of this is theory," Shi Gong Robert Redfeather said at the beginning of his Apache Knife Fighting seminar. "Everything I teach, I have used. It's not fancy. It is direct and precise - for killing."

He declined to shed light on his knife-fighting past, though several linear scars on his torso told a tale all their own.

Redfeather - a Mescalero Apache from Fayetteville, Ark., taught his unique style of personal combat to 1st Marine Regiment Marines Oct. 20 at Camp Horno.

After his introduction, but before even the basics were taught, Redfeather donned helmet and gloves and engaged in mock combat with each of the students one by one.

He gauged the students' existing skills by seeing how many times they can "kill" him before he closes for the kill himself.

This wasn't the average remedial training with plastic knives. Redfeather brought a fighting style called "Nagondzog," the Apache word for a style of guerrilla warfare practiced by the likes of Geronimo. He began studying the fighting style in 1980 and now teaches the secrets to military and police organizations.

"It's a family art," Redfeather explained. "It's not usually taught to outsiders."

Still, Redfeather holds the Marine Corps in high esteem and felt his instruction could benefit Marines. So he began offering classes here about three months ago.

It's not all guts and glory. Redfeather's style of knife fighting is a thinking man's game.

"You really have to use your noodle," he said. "If you rush into it too fast, you can get killed. It's not 'martial arts' at all."

Redfeather's knife techniques are quick and direct. There was little playing around with opponents. Almost every move was for the kill, finishing the fight almost before it even started.

"I didn't know what to expect," said Gunnery Sgt. Orlando Diaz, chief martial arts instructor for 1st Marine Division Schools. "I didn't know what type of techniques he was trying to use or what techniques he wanted me to try and use. By all means, he knows what he' s doing."

Redfeather also instructed Marines on the dangerous sections of a knife blade and how best to use each section to inflict damage on an opponent.

After imparting some knowledge of the weapons, he released Marines on each other to practice with training knives. Junior instructors assisted, providing tips and insight to the students.

Sgt. Tanner Nystrom, the regimental training coordinator, brought Redfeather and his team to Horno.

"This is something I've just recently started doing because of some contacts that I've made," Nystrom said.

This was the fourth seminar Nystrom arranged for his unit, all in the last three months.

"It's knowledge that we don't already have in the Marine Corps," he said.

A black-belt instructor in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program, Nystrom said Marines could benefit from learning techniques outside of those the Corps teaches.

"It will make you more well-rounded as an instructor," he said.

Redfeather normally charges a fee for his seminars, but wants to give something back to the Marine Corps.

"(He's) doing this free of charge ... as a community service," Nystrom told the students.

Nystrom appreciated Redfeather's training so much, he presented him with a knife more traditional to Marines - a Ka-Bar mounted on a plaque.

"Everyone in my chain of command ... has been more than cooperative," he added. "They've been very helpful in putting this stuff together."

For more information about Redfeather's seminars, visit his Web site at: www.ApacheKnife.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americanindians; apache; knife; knifefight; marines; training; usmc
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1 posted on 11/09/2003 3:47:19 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Thanks for posting
Just like an E-tool
A knife dont jam nevers runs out of ammo

That said, still like the 40 mm/M203 for knife fights
2 posted on 11/09/2003 5:01:57 PM PST by ASOC
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To: ASOC
Gunnery Sgt. Orlando Diaz, chief martial arts instructor for 1st Marine Division Schools.

How'd you like to date and break-up with this guy's daughter?

3 posted on 11/09/2003 5:30:23 PM PST by dwilli
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To: ASOC
Caught a guy in front of my office the other day breaking into a vehicle. My cell phone trumped his knife. He got so scared he threw it down and ran. Heh.
4 posted on 11/09/2003 5:32:49 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: SJackson
This is realisatic training! blood & all! Do check out RedFeather's web site at www.ApacheKnife.com !


5 posted on 11/09/2003 5:43:43 PM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: dwilli
Old enogh to not have to worry, my daughter is married and my 'baby' IS a MARINE
Hoo-ah
6 posted on 11/09/2003 10:44:24 PM PST by ASOC
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To: EternalVigilance
Good for you
Did they catch the perp?
7 posted on 11/09/2003 10:45:14 PM PST by ASOC
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To: ASOC
Nope. He faded into the 'hood.
8 posted on 11/09/2003 10:47:27 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: ASOC
...and my 'baby' IS a MARINE

I live and work right across the street from the Marine Barracks. Believe me, many of these fine young Marines I see every day look like kids to me.

LOL...another sign that I'm getting old. ;-)

9 posted on 11/09/2003 10:51:19 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: SJackson
Interesting article. Thanks for posting it, SJ.

2/1 was the battalion I went to Nam with in 65. As a matter of fact, I was supposed to be down in Oceanside this weekend for 2/1's reunion, but had to cancel.

I'm really sorry to have missed it, because they had arranged for us all to go out to Pendleton and meet with some current members that are Iraq Vet's and for our entire families to fire some of today's weapons.

Any weapon they would have made available would have been new to me, considering we carried the old M-14.

10 posted on 11/10/2003 1:08:04 AM PST by theirjustdue
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To: SJackson
Interesting article. Thanks for posting it, SJ.

2/1 was the battalion I went to Nam with in 65. As a matter of fact, I was supposed to be down in Oceanside this weekend for 2/1's reunion, but had to cancel.

I'm really sorry to have missed it, because they had arranged for us all to go out to Pendleton and meet with some current members that are Iraq Vet's and for our entire families to fire some of today's weapons.

Any weapon they would have made available would have been new to me, considering we carried the old M-14.

11 posted on 11/10/2003 1:08:35 AM PST by theirjustdue
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To: SJackson
Pretty good at what they do. But the Russian spetsnazniki train in hand-to-hand to an Olympic- level standard, and most relish the opportunity to get a chance to use their well-honed skill.


12 posted on 11/10/2003 2:29:14 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: theirjustdue
Any weapon they would have made available would have been new to me, considering we carried the old M-14.

Not quite. I think there's one old friend who'd be familiar to you.

-archy-/-


13 posted on 11/10/2003 2:36:04 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: ASOC
Thanks for posting
Just like an E-tool
A knife dont jam nevers runs out of ammo

And useful, too when performing the traditional military *shovel-dance* at folk-dancing festivals!


14 posted on 11/10/2003 2:47:10 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: struwwelpeter
Ha! Got him!


15 posted on 11/10/2003 2:50:35 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: dwilli
Gunnery Sgt. Orlando Diaz, chief martial arts instructor for 1st Marine Division Schools.

How'd you like to date and break-up with this guy's daughter

Ah, she gives you any problems, a couple of slaps to the face oughta set her straight...

Life is so much easier having one who shares your interests, though, and is a good hunting buddy with her muzzleloader.


16 posted on 11/10/2003 2:54:10 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy

Ah, chicks with guns...

17 posted on 11/10/2003 7:24:18 AM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter
Just so- an old tradition! But always nicer when it's *smiling* chicks with hardware.


18 posted on 11/10/2003 8:40:15 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
"Not quite. I think there's one old friend who'd be familiar to you."

Thanks for the memories, Archy. An old friend indeed!

Good to see it's still on duty and serving our country well.

19 posted on 11/10/2003 10:33:06 AM PST by theirjustdue
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To: archy
"Pretty good at what they do. But the Russian spetsnazniki train in hand-to-hand to an Olympic- level standard, and most relish the opportunity to get a chance to use their well-honed skill."

Looks like the Rusky is about to throw away a perfectly good weapon. With that kind of philosophy behind their training they wouldn't be hard to beat.

20 posted on 11/10/2003 10:38:40 AM PST by The Scorpion King
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