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Lying Scholars Fuel Anti-Gun Court Verdicts
RichardPoe.com ^ | November 9, 2003 | Richard Poe

Posted on 11/09/2003 2:13:56 PM PST by Richard Poe

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To: chuckwalla
I think the liberal sheeple live in lalaland and believe all the hippie crap about guns are bad etc, lets get rid of them.

But they are just voting tools for the evil 'rat overlords, who would relish the chance to disarm us, in order to see us going into that pit.

41 posted on 11/09/2003 8:39:26 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: lowbridge
No such right exists, said U.S. District Judge Norman A. Mordue of Syracuse, New York. In his ruling, Judge Mordue wrote, "[T]he court adopts the view that the Second Amendment is not a source of individual rights."

"...hmmmm...I think we're going to find out about that, some day..."


42 posted on 11/09/2003 8:44:58 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: patton
Some day we're going to have to find out if NY is still part of the USA.
43 posted on 11/09/2003 8:46:40 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
As much as I hate to acknowledge that this great, beloved, light of the world country could turn into tyranny it is fatal to think that it can't happen here.
It's better to be aware of evil than to be unaware of anything.
44 posted on 11/09/2003 9:28:36 PM PST by chuckwalla
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To: Richard Poe
Why, then, do so many law professors teach exactly the opposite – that the Second Amendment secures no individual right to keep and bear arms? Simple. Many law professors are leftists who oppose gun rights. Therefore, they lie to their students about the true meaning of the Bill of Rights.

"Men and women have unalienable rights -- rights that cannot be taken away -- if we recognize that they come from our Creator. If they come from government then that's all they are, negotiable privileges: the state giveth, the state taketh away, blessed be the name of the state. If they come from God the purpose of government, as [Thomas] Jefferson went on to say, is to secure these rights, not to grant them. God has already granted them." --John Eidsmoe


45 posted on 11/09/2003 9:48:37 PM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: chuckwalla
I wrote my novel primarily for the commissars-in-waiting, as a warning that they are throwing matches in a dynamite factory.
46 posted on 11/09/2003 11:22:04 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
I have to wait my turn to read your book. The M.D. said it's a "page-turner." I think that means he likes it. Thanks for the cool inscription. I'm counting on it to be worth a small fortune one of these days. :)
47 posted on 11/09/2003 11:26:21 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
Just ignore those typos! (Cringe!) They are absent in the 2nd edition.
48 posted on 11/09/2003 11:28:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Typos? Really? Matt, THAT makes the first edition VALUABLE! See there, I'm going to get wealthy off you!
49 posted on 11/09/2003 11:31:32 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
Did you know that airplane "hangars" are spelled with two a's? I do now!
50 posted on 11/09/2003 11:32:57 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Did you know that airplane "hangars" are spelled with two a's? I do now!

ROFLOL! Yes, I knew the correct spelling of "hangar." Catholic schooled, not government schooled.

Don't tell me any more. Leave me some suprises. Believe me, I'll let you know how many typos I find! LOL!

51 posted on 11/09/2003 11:37:42 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
I knew it too, but I let my spellchecker talk me out of it, I think. If you find any typos that I have not found and corrected in the 2nd ed., I'll be somewhat surprised.
52 posted on 11/10/2003 12:14:50 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
53 posted on 11/10/2003 3:13:19 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: F.J. Mitchell
THe Courts may have the power to bully and abuse a citizen who is excercising their right to keep and bear arms, they have the power to make his/her life unbearable and make a criminal of that gun bearer. The Courts have that power and the citizen is almost helpless to resist, but the citizen is a victem of abusive government and the courts are guilty of bastardizing the very document they swore to defend.

In a word, its treason.

54 posted on 11/10/2003 12:19:31 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Richard Poe
I know of no society of law professionals that holds any other view than the invented "collective rights" nonsense when it comes to the 2nd. Certainly not the ABA. Yet, I know individual attorneys who are foresquare behind the individual RKBA, some of whom are avid firearm enthusiasts and (gasp) members of NRA and/or GOA. Unfortunately, they are in the tiny minority. I fear that a good portion of the judiciary both at the state and federal level are totally corrupt and intellectually dishonest about the RKBA. That doesn't leave me with an optimistic view about the future of the RKBA. All gun owners will be considered criminals in my lifetime.

55 posted on 11/10/2003 12:31:23 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Richard Poe
There were a few leftists that actually understood what the 2nd was all about. Many still do but are hopeless liars.

"The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state controlled police and the military are the weapons on dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon on democracy... If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government - and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." --- Edward Abbey

56 posted on 11/10/2003 12:34:03 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
That is the word.

Judicial Treason and Tyranny.
57 posted on 11/10/2003 12:53:34 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you seen yourself as other people do, you'd laugh too.)
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To: Cloud William
thanks for the link!!!
58 posted on 11/10/2003 12:54:46 PM PST by groanup (Whom the market gods humble they first make proud.)
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To: patton
Truly your VA CCW license generates a hit on a NY state computer. Someone is violating the law there...well maybe not, just the spirit of it though. You need to find out who is providing your VA CCW information to the NY State Nazies ..er.. "Authorities".

Is the VA list a public record? I don't believe the Texas list is. At least I hope not. If I find myself "assuming the position" in Kansas or Nebraska, because of my Texas CHL, there will be Hell to pay. Texas provision on Confidenitally of CHL records follows:

GC §411.192. CONFIDENTIALITY OF RECORDS. The department shall disclose to a criminal justice agency information contained in its files and records regarding whether a named individual or any individual named in a specified list is licensed under this subchapter. The department shall, on written request and payment of a reasonable fee to cover costs of copying, disclose to any other individual whether a named individual or any individual whose full name is listed on a specified written list is licensed under this subchapter. Information on an individual subject to disclosure under this section includes the individual's name, date of birth, gender, race, and zip code. Except as otherwise provided by this section and by Section 411.193, all other records maintained under this subchapter are confidential and are not subject to mandatory disclosure under the open records law, Chapter 552, except that the applicant or license holder may be furnished a copy of disclosable records on request and the payment of a reasonable fee. The department shall notify a license holder of any request that is made for information relating to the license holder under this section and provide the name of the person or agency making the request. This section does not prohibit the department from making public and distributing to the public at no cost lists of individuals who are certified as qualified handgun instructors by the department.

They'd better not be providing it to other states except on a case by case basis, and not on a "fishing expedition" basis. The law seems to provide that agencies have to ask by name, if you are on the list. I supposed if the various states computer systems are interconnected, they could make that by name request pretty darn quickly. Maybe I'd better buy some knee and elbow pads for my trip through Kansas and Nebraska come Christmas time. (Oklahoma has reciprocity with Texas, the other two's position on CCW/CHL is "NOT NO WAY, NOT NO HOW" which is pretty bad for a state (KS) That has in it's Constitution "The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security;" and even worse for one (NE) that has the following in it's Constitution "All persons. . . have certain . . . rights, among these are . . . the right to keep and bear arms for security or defense of self, family, home, and others, and for lawful common defense, hunting, recreational use, and all other lawful purposes, and such rights shall not be denied or infringed by the state or any subdivision thereof." It's so bad in fact, it makes me want to puke.

59 posted on 11/10/2003 5:35:15 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
Virginia's CCW is listed on our Driver's license, which any cop pulling your record sees. Or your tags.
60 posted on 11/10/2003 5:38:32 PM PST by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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