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Confidence is soaring, but are we over the 'Wall of Worry?' Investors seized by optimism!
CBS MarketWatch.com ^ | 11/7/2003 | Shawn Langlois

Posted on 11/07/2003 8:52:23 PM PST by SierraWasp

Riding high

Confidence is soaring, but are we over the 'Wall of Worry'

By Shawn Langlois, CBS.MarketWatch.com Last Update: 7:28 PM ET Nov. 7, 2003

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) - U.S. investors suddenly seem to be seized by an unbearable lightness of being.

Judging from soaring investor-confidence levels, they've chosen to ignore the types of concerns that a year ago fed grave fear -- and sent the U.S. stock market to its post-2000 low.

Wall Street is plumbing new depths of corruption with the mutual fund scandals. Polls show President Bush possibly losing re-election. U.S. soldiers are being killed on a daily basis as we revisit Vietnam in the Middle East.

Yet a wave of optimism is washing over the market, born of improving economic data and corporate earnings and the belief the Fed will keep interest rates low into the near future, said Roger Tutterow, Professor of Economics at Kennesaw State University.

The sense is that "consumers are on the sideline with a big pile of cash and sooner or later, they're going to jump in like they did in the latter part of the 90's," Tutterow said.

Investor sentiment has turned to "extreme optimism," according to readings from Ned Davis Research Check Net Sense. Market bulls outnumbered bears by a 5-to-1 ratio last month, according to the WILink PrecisionIR Investor Confidence Index. That's up from 1-to-1 in February, and half of the 10-to-1 level in early 2000.

"People who've been hesitant because of the uncertainty are feeling much more comfortable about investing new money," said Derrick Kinney, a financial advisor at American Express.

Yet some market observers wonder whether investors aren't suddenly blind drunk, throwing caution to the wind too quickly in response to having embraced it so tightly, for so long.

Corporate earnings are making a comeback, but not enough to justify current stock prices on a historical basis. The geopolitical situation has improved, but it's nowhere near stable. The Fed seems to be in the market's corner, but that could change in a Greenspan heartbeat.

And that's not factoring in more unsettling developments that could be in the offing.

"There's always the big exogenous shock risk -- the unforeseen terrorist attacks, SARS, etc.," Tutterow said. "The types of things that hit the economy in the past few years are certainly still out there."

Many investors have apparently turned numb to the onslaught of bad news, making for hubris on Wall Street. In fact, on the very day the revelations about fund industry malfeasance peaked, so did major stock indexes.

The Nasdaq enjoyed one of its best days of the year Monday, hovering just below the key 2,000 level. The Dow also flexed its muscles, continuing to inch toward the key 10,000 mark.

The surge also took place a day after the most deadly "postwar" attack to date, in which 16 soldiers were killed west of Baghdad. That brought the U.S. body count to 379 -- 241 of whom died since Bush declared an end of major combat operations.

Confidence booms

Rupert Thompson, market strategist at E-Trade, expects this year's investor-confidence rise to be "vindicated" in the near future. E-Trade's Stock Market Outlook Index jumped 17 points to 61.51 in the last quarter alone, the highest point since its inception a year ago. A reading of 50 indicates a neutral outlook.

"The economy will continue to pick up speed as business increases capital spending and rebuilds inventories," Thompson said. "This recovery, in turn, should fuel strong earnings growth and could fuel a further rally in the stock market."

The State Street Investor Confidence Index, which focuses on institutional investors, is another recently created gauge. Apparently, measuring market confidence wasn't on financial firms' radar before the market's collapse. The State Street index is up sharply since January, rising to 104.2 from 87.2.

"We basically track how much people are willing to blow their portfolio up like a balloon," said Ken Froot, a Harvard professor and co-developer of the index.

Many investors are betting on solid economic growth over the next few quarters, Froot said. "So if the economy doesn't deliver, what happens next?"

Fiddling away

Some investors insist the flow of news remains disconcerting, and that confidence in the economy is unfounded.

An investor called Cynical, who's taken on bulls on CBS MarketWatch's message boards for years, argues that more corporate scandals, lukewarm holiday spending and rising interest rates will play a part in sobering market revelers.

"The illusion will continue through the end of the year," he said. "We may even see a breach of the 10,000 level on the Dow, and 2000 on the NAZ as the institutions make a pitch to have a romping end of the year gain."

"But come January, watch out for the Wall Street mortars which will come flying in all directions, pointing to a downward slide of the indices back towards the 52-week lows."

This ringer of the bear bell seems to be in the minority, judging from the resistance he meets in cyberspace on a daily basis.

Shawn Langlois is a reporter for CBS.MarketWatch.com, and the editor of its community message boards.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bushrecovery; confidence; negativism; spinfatigue
You'd think Barbara Stridentsand wrote this... "U.S. investors suddenly seem to be seized by an evil spirit confidence in their nation and President like they were all becoming Conservatives, or something!"
1 posted on 11/07/2003 8:52:24 PM PST by SierraWasp
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To: Grampa Dave; Liz; BOBTHENAILER; Dog Gone; Steven W.; dalereed
Grampa Dave, if you're out there... You've got three of the best cartoons going on this subject and you know which one I want first to give this thread a grand KICK-OFF!!!
2 posted on 11/07/2003 8:54:42 PM PST by SierraWasp (Multi-Level Government is more ABSURD than Multi-Level Marketing! The pyramid's upside down!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Confidence is soaring, but are we over the 'Wall of Worry'

Not if Dan Blather and his ilk have anything to say about it. I vividly remember how he made out the 1992 economy to be nothing short of a cataclysm.

3 posted on 11/07/2003 8:57:42 PM PST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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To: Paul Atreides
Yes... I recall him trying to "Chronkite" G.H.W. Bush, like Chronkite convinced American we lost the "Tet Offensive!"
4 posted on 11/07/2003 9:01:35 PM PST by SierraWasp (Multi-Level Government is more ABSURD than Multi-Level Marketing! The pyramid's upside down!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
When I read articles like this, I cannot help but think of Ellen Ratner, on Fox, blurting out that she hopes that W botches the war in Iraq.
5 posted on 11/07/2003 9:05:43 PM PST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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To: Paul Atreides
Did you catch Eleanor Clift on the McLaughlin Group on PBS, tonight? Tony, who used to work for Newt Gingrich really zinged her for coming very close to saying something similar. The zany Liberals just blurt out their stupidest thoughts and just expect than no one will challenge them!

Their hubris never ceases to amaze me!!!

6 posted on 11/07/2003 9:37:19 PM PST by SierraWasp (Multi-Level Government is more ABSURD than Multi-Level Marketing! The pyramid's upside down!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Polls show President Bush possibly losing re-election. U.S. soldiers are being killed on a daily basis as we revisit Vietnam in the Middle East.

Say what? Oh, wait... this is SeeBS. Nevermind.

7 posted on 11/07/2003 9:39:19 PM PST by upchuck (Encourage HAMAS to pre-test their explosive devices. A dud always spoils everything.)
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To: upchuck
"Oh, wait... this is SeeBS. Nevermind."

"SeeBS, PeeBS, not much difference. That John McLaughlin is getting goofier and goofier! Him and Pat Buchannan keep bashing Bush like a couple of flaming Libs!

I'm beginning to thing they should change his name to John McLaughin!!!

I get so fatigued by some of these perpetual pissant pantloads squakin and squealin at EVERYTHING Bush does.

I gripe occasionally and am not a Bush-Bot, but people including some conservatives who knee-jerk against him at every turn, really grate on a person after awhile!!!

8 posted on 11/07/2003 10:04:57 PM PST by SierraWasp (I want a "Peace Symbol" made out of a picture of a B-52 bomber fusalage and wings in that circle!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
SW, is this the one? Gramps posted it yesterday I believe.


9 posted on 11/08/2003 3:02:46 AM PST by Liz
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To: SierraWasp
You ranted for me, Old Master? Here is what you wanted:


10 posted on 11/08/2003 7:25:25 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("If you can read this, thank a teacher!....Since it is in English, thank a Veteran!")
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To: SierraWasp; Liz; BOBTHENAILER; Miss Marple; rintense; MJY1288
In response this lie, I will be sending the President of CBS this poll. I will let him know that conservative investors have had it with the lies of their so called financial reporters. They are not reporters. They are the DNC whores pretending to be CBS's financial reporters.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1017091/posts

Gallup: Despite Iraq, Bush Job Approval Up 1 Point To 54%
Gallup ^ | 11/07/03 | Gallup

I get so damn tired of the left wing bias/lies/spins in the CBS Financial lies of the Day/Week. Of course, Reuters, CNBC and Bloomberg are no better.

Hopefully Fox will come out with a fair and balanced Financial News Division. Neil Cavuto would be a great one to be the spokesman and head of the new venture.
11 posted on 11/08/2003 7:34:21 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("If you can read this, thank a teacher!....Since it is in English, thank a Veteran!")
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To: Grampa Dave
Oh, WOW Grandpa, that is one fantastic cartoon. Worth way more than a thousand words. Sums up the situation perfectly!!
12 posted on 11/08/2003 7:37:03 AM PST by upchuck (Encourage HAMAS to pre-test their explosive devices. A dud always spoils everything.)
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To: upchuck; SierraWasp
It is a great cartoon, and it is Wasp Man's favorite at this point re the economy and the rats trying suck out the "gas" in our economy!
13 posted on 11/08/2003 7:44:06 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("If you can read this, thank a teacher!....Since it is in English, thank a Veteran!")
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To: Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie
I hope that's CA federal government mandated "boutique" gasoline with 11% M.T.B.E. in those siphoning cheeks!!!
14 posted on 11/08/2003 8:01:00 AM PST by SierraWasp (I want a "Peace Symbol" made out of a picture of a B-52 bomber fusalage and wings in that circle!!!)
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To: Liz
Yes... that's my 2nd favorite out of 3 that he posted on another "The Economy Is Jumping And Making The Negativistas Jump" threads.

What'er you doin up at 3:AM? Are you the "Early Bird" tryin ta git the worm?

15 posted on 11/08/2003 8:05:28 AM PST by SierraWasp (I want a "Peace Symbol" made out of a picture of a B-52 bomber fusalage and wings in that circle!!!)
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