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Pipes meets with protest at talk
Yale Daily News ^ | BESS HINSON

Posted on 11/07/2003 11:30:02 AM PST by tubavil

Published Friday, November 7, 2003 Pipes meets with protest at talk Guest discusses current state of Middle East before audience of 200

BY BESS HINSON Staff Reporter

Middle East Forum Director and columnist Daniel Pipes speaks in Linsly Chittenden Hall Thursday. More than one-third of audience members dressed in black to protest Pipes' former comments, which they claim are prejudiced and anti-Muslim. (NATHAN FRANCIS/PHOTOGRAPHY EDITOR)

Amid campus-wide controversy, Middle East Forum Director Daniel Pipes spoke yesterday on the Middle Eastern conflict. Nearly 200 members of the Yale community, including a large number of protestors, attended the talk.

At least a third of those in attendance protested Pipes by wearing black clothing and black gags across their mouths.

Eliana Johnson '06, president of the Middle East Forum at Yale, said MEF invited Pipes to speak as an authority on American interests in the Middle East. She said Pipes inspired critical discussion on Israel-Palestine relations.

Yale Coalition for Peace and Muslim Students' Association member Saqib Bhatti '04 said the protest was organized earlier this week because Pipes has publicly made derogatory comments about "brown-skinned peoples" and Muslims, and is a founder of CampusWatch.org, which he said has been used as a tool to silence dissent on campuses.

"Our intent was to be respectful of his presence but to still voice opposition," Bhatti, who is also a member of Students for Justice in Palestine, said. "We thought the gag was a powerful visual image that can't be ignored."

During his speech, Pipes called for Palestinian recognition of Israel. He said peace depends upon the desires of the Palestine population.

"Diplomacy focuses exclusively on government to government relations," Pipes said. "Were the governments to come to an agreement, it's not necessarily the case that the population would follow. In fact, once an agreement was shared, the [Palestinian] population became more anti-Zionist than less."

After his lecture, Pipes was asked by an audience member why he claims 10 to 15 percent of all Muslims are potential killers.

"[Militant Islam] is the body of ideas that causes a lot of murders," Pipes said. "Ten to 15 percent of Muslims support Militant Islam and wish to be in a country where there is a Militant government."

Diplomat in Residence Charles Hill, who was scheduled to answer questions along with Pipes, said after the presentation that he disagreed with Pipes' stance.

"Pipes' view is that diplomacy has failed and is hopeless," Hill said. "I'm much more positive. I think diplomacy has brought tremendous successes. The key to this is the suppression of terrorism. When you get close to peace, terrorists will literally blow up any chance of peace."

In a November 2002 issue of the New York Post, Pipes wrote a column titled "Profs Who Hate America." The article named Director of Cytogenetics Services at the Yale School of Medicine Mazin Qumsiyeh and Yale Professor Glenda Gilmore as two professors who fit this description.

Qumsiyeh said during the talk that both he and Gilmore received hate mail as a result of the column.

"We don't hate America, we just don't like American policy in the Middle East," Qumsiyeh said.

Pipes asked Qumsiyeh to forward him all records of hate mail.

Pipes then said another listed professor blamed his move to Canada on hate mail he received. Pipes said the truth was that this professor left the U.S. because of a career opportunity. This, Pipes said, "shows what liars you all are."

Some students were not allowed to enter the room or listen through open doors. Abe Koogler '06 said doors were blocked by policeman who he said prohibited approximately 40 students from entering the talk.

Zvika Krieger '06 said few in attendance came with an open mind.

"[This event] was a circus between people who were closed-minded and didn't want to hear what Pipes had to say and others who uncritically accepted everything he said," Krieger said.

Johnson said she believes Pipes spoke well before a tough audience.

"I knew all along what an eloquent, soft-spoken subtle speaker [Pipes] is," Johnson said. "I think that can stand powerfully when people in the audience throw epithets at him. He so ably answered their questions."

But many audience members collaborated to show their distaste by bearing signs and banners denouncing his message, in addition to donning black clothing and gags.

Bhatii said members of organizations including the Yale Coalition for Peace, the Muslim Students' Association, the Arab Students' Association, Students for Justice in Palestine, the Pan-Ethnic Coalition, Concerned Black Students, the Black Student Alliance at Yale and Hillel participated in organizing the protest.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: academia; danielpipes; muslims; nationalalliance; pipes; terror
"Abe Koogler '06 said doors were blocked by policeman who he said prohibited approximately 40 students from entering the talk." - arab and muslim terrorists.
1 posted on 11/07/2003 11:30:02 AM PST by tubavil
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To: tubavil
"We don't hate America, we just don't like American policy in the Middle East," Qumsiyeh said.

What a coincidence...we don't like Middle East "policy" in America...

2 posted on 11/07/2003 11:32:49 AM PST by danneskjold
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To: tubavil
Yale Coalition for Peace, the Muslim Students' Association, the Arab Students' Association, Students for Justice in Palestine, the Pan-Ethnic Coalition, Concerned Black Students, the Black Student Alliance at Yale and Hillel

What a line-up! What is Hillel doing protesting Daniel Pipes?
3 posted on 11/07/2003 11:40:07 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan
Yeah, there are a lot of Jews who are pro-Jihadi.
4 posted on 11/07/2003 11:45:48 AM PST by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: tubavil
"I think diplomacy has brought tremendous successes."

Such as? If Arab/Israeli diplomacy had ever been successful, we wouldn't still be reading about suicide bombers on an almost daily basis.
5 posted on 11/07/2003 12:54:40 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: tubavil
"Qumsiyeh said during the talk that both he and Gilmore received hate mail as a result of the column."

I'd bet the ranch that Pipes has also received his share of hate mail and death threats.
6 posted on 11/07/2003 1:05:49 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: tubavil
At least a third of those in attendance protested Pipes by wearing black clothing and black gags across their mouths.

If we're lucky, they'll leave them on.

7 posted on 11/07/2003 4:39:49 PM PST by nosofar
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To: Rummyfan; Guillermo; yonif
The Berkeley Hillel had an event a few days ago that put them solidly in the pallie/terror camp.

More on Berkeley Hillel --> http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=8539

Just like the radical lestists that shut down Arutz-7, fascism lives.
8 posted on 11/07/2003 4:50:37 PM PST by tubavil
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To: tubavil
At least a third of those in attendance protested Pipes by wearing black clothing and black gags across their mouths.

More living proof that just attending a prestige college doesn't make you smart.

9 posted on 11/07/2003 5:36:55 PM PST by Gritty
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To: tubavil
Pipes came to our college. The college refused to advertise so we had 20 people there, along with 2 National Alliance members.
10 posted on 11/07/2003 10:00:31 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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"Pipes came to our college. The college refused to advertise so we had 20 people there, along with 2 National Alliance members."

Yonif, the NA presence is very significant. Are there pictures of them anywhere? School newspaper, campus police, student photographers? Any interviews with the NA or articles documenting their presence?

11 posted on 11/08/2003 10:00:05 AM PST by tubavil
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To: tubavil
Nope. There is no media that said they were there. The passed out literature against Jews and even sat next to Jews like me. What's more, there were incidents where their flyers were posted around the school. One of them is actually a conn college graduate.
12 posted on 11/08/2003 11:45:56 AM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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