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To: Heartlander
Darwin predicted gradualism!

Wrong. Already refuted on this thread. You're now reduced to coming back dumb as a stump on the same thread. Your amnesia has reached gore3000 proportions. But, to prevent going totally in circles, let me borrow from this nice compilation Ichneumon has made:

He didn't invent it [punctuated equilibrium], Darwin did, and it's no fairy tale:
I further believe that these slow, intermittent results accord well with what geology tells us of the rate and manner at which the inhabitants of the world have changed." (Darwin, Ch. 4, "Natural Selection," pp. 140-141)

But I must here remark that I do not suppose that the process ever goes on so regularly as is represented in the diagram, though in itself made somewhat irregular, nor that it goes on continuously; it is far more probable that each form remains for long periods unaltered, and then again undergoes modification. (Darwin, Ch. 4, "Natural Selection," pp. 152)

"It is a more important consideration ... that the period during which each species underwent modification, though long as measured by years, was probably short in comparison with that during which it remained without undergoing any change." (Darwin, Ch. 10, "On the imperfection of the geological record," p. 428)

"Widely ranging species vary most, and varieties are often at first local, -- both causes rendering the discovery of intermediate links less likely. Local varieties will not spread into other and distant regions until they are considerably modified and improved; and when they do spread, if discovered in a geological formation, they will appear as if suddenly created there, and will be simply classed as new species. [Charles Darwin, Origin of Species 1st Edition 1859, p.439]

[All quotes from Darwin's 1859 "On the Origin of Species"]

This is classic Punctuated Equilibrium -- from Charles Darwin in 1859.


296 posted on 01/11/2004 8:35:14 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
What is this? Now Darwin originated the theory of Punk-Eek? What can’t be applied to this (without the bold lettering you have used )
Darwin is truly the king of rhetoric.
For example…

Let me take your exact quotes and now state that Darwin is arguing for creation:

“I further believe that these slow, intermittent results accord well with what geology tells us of the rate and manner at which the inhabitants of the world have changed."

“But I must here remark that I do not suppose that the process ever goes on so regularly as is represented in the diagram, though in itself made somewhat irregular, nor that it goes on continuously; it is far more probable that each form remains for long periods unaltered, and then again undergoes modification.”

"It is a more important consideration ... that the period during which each species underwent modification, though long as measured by years, was probably short in comparison with that during which it remained without undergoing any change."

“Widely ranging species vary most, and varieties are often at first local, -- both causes rendering the discovery of intermediate links less likely. Local varieties will not spread into other and distant regions until they are considerably modified and improved; and when they do spread, if discovered in a geological formation, they will appear as if suddenly created there, and will be simply classed as new species.”

Is Darwin arguing for ID? Is Darwin arguing for the Democratic platform? Heck, with these quotes I could say that Darwin predicted microwave popcorn
By the way, when I put something in ‘blockquote’ with quotations around it… I am indicating that I did not write it – for future reference. (Your inability to detect intelligent design is only surpassed by a lawyering “Hee hee”) Now, please note the blockquote (Hee hee):
”The evidence against the standard view is contained in a lack of evidence. If life had evolved into its wondrous profusion of creatures little by little, Dr. Eldredge argues, then one would expect to find fossils of transitional creatures which were a bit like what went before them and a bit like what came after. But no one has yet found any evidence of such transitional creatures. This oddity has been attributed to gaps in the fossil record which gradualists expected to fill when rock strata of the proper age had been found. In the last decade, however, geologists have found rock layers of all divisions of the last 500 million years and no transitional forms were contained in them. If it is not the fossil record which is incomplete then it must be the theory. The alternative theory is called (regrettably) "punctuated equilibrium" or "punctuationalism." According to this, the diversity of life has come about as a result of sporadic adaptations by small, well-defined groups confronted by a new environment, interspersed with long periods of little or no change. “
(The Guardian Weekly, 26 Nov 1978, vol 119, no 22, p. 1)
Is gradualism being critiqued here?

Eldridge, N., and Gould, S. J., 1972, Punctuated Equilibria: An Alternative to Phyletic Gradualism, in Schopf, T. M., ed., Models in Paleobiology: San Francisco, Freeman, Cooper, & Co., p. 82-115; 250 pp.

Or here?

1972, Punctuated Equilibria: An Alternative to Phyletic Gradualism, in Eldridge, N., ed., Time Frames: The Rethinking of Darwinian Evolution and the Theory of Punctuated Equilibrium (1985): New York, Simon and Schuster, p. 193-223.

Or here?

Gould, S. J., and Eldridge, N., 1977, Punctuated Equilibria: The Tempo and Mode of Evolution Reconsidered: Paleobiology, v. 3, p. 115-151.

Let me spell it out… g-r-a-d-u-a-l-i-s-m….

Please excuse me now as I am making some Darwinian microwave gradual popcorn… This may take a long time (Hee hee – pat-pat) as predicted…

367 posted on 01/13/2004 8:18:39 PM PST by Heartlander
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