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To: Markofhumanfeet
Yes, and if man is just an evolved animal, where did this moral code come from? How many other animals demonstrate it? What good is it?

Animals that hunt in teams are usually more successful than lone hunters. All animals that hunt in packs have rules of behavior, in other words morality. If a team member makes a kill made possible by team cooperation but hides the kill from the pack or does not share, they are outcast and not as likely to live or pass on their genetic traits.

Humans are a very special case of evolution though. Our genetic progress can not be explained by group hunting alone. The first tribal war set in motion a very high speed version of evolution. Once tribal warfare was added to the mix, the need for advanced intelligence, cooperation, group loyalty, longevity, self-sacrifice, and group morality became more important. And the cycle of selecting the most genetically advanced tribe became very time compressed. Small genetic advances that normally take many thousands of years to test out are evaluated much faster in humans. Almost every trait of modern humans is now optimized for winning at war. Those of us alive to today are the descendants of the winning warriors and war makers. We are naturally very moral alright, but only to our group for the ultimate purpose of winning at war.

Many people, but not all, have a super-sense of survival. They must survive at all costs, even after death. This motivates many people to behave especially well in the hope they will be granted eternal life. This isn't the major genetic driver of morality though. People who have no super-sense of survival can be just as moral, with no motivation at all other than the genetically programmed desire for the group they belong to win at war. Groups of 100% super-survivors are not as good at war and eventually get killed off. The best tribes at war may have a high percentage of super-survivors but they can't all be.

195 posted on 01/03/2004 7:10:56 PM PST by Reeses
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To: Reeses; bondserv; Dataman; Dr. Eckleburg
I was watching a cable show recently where the storyline was about a baby dinosaur hatching and then surviving to grow up to be one fearsome creature. And that's all it was, a story, a manmade fairytale. Something man can imagine. There was absolutely nothing in the story to prove it was true. That is what your response to my question reminds me of. You must not be very well knowledgeable in either animals or people to make the kind of broad statements that you do. Animals that hunt alone have done quite well, for instance, leopards, tigers, jaquars, etc and their only enemy is man. Plus it would seem to me that a peasant out in the countryside pursuing the bucolic lifestyle in the time of the French Revolution, is going to be better able to survive than one immersed in politics in Paris.

In fact, even in packs or tribes, the lone male takes off and survives on his own before joining up with another group, if he ever does. Plus, what about all the pioneers, who deserted their packs and struck out alone? They seem to have survived just fine, even in hostile environments. The pack is not necessary for surviving. It can in fact, be very dangerous to one's well being.

You have an idealistic view of your fellow man, which is commendable, but unrealistic. Just ask your neighbor to pay your mortgage and all your other bills this month, so that you and your genes can survive. Let me know what his reply is. Or better yet, ask one of your relatives to take them over. That might be even more intriguing. thanks, Mark

197 posted on 01/04/2004 12:40:12 PM PST by Markofhumanfeet
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To: Reeses; bondserv; Dataman; Dr. Eckleburg
one last thought before I head up the mountains to the snow: I think you might be surprised to learn, that for a mature Christian, the cause of all motivation, is love of Christ. There is no fear, nor doing "good" in hopes of reward. The new life, is just that-- a new way of living. It's the way it is, a new reality. I think it's something that an unregenerated man cannot understand and so you get all hung up on the idea that you too can be a good and moral person, but you can't. Sorry, thanks, Mark
201 posted on 01/04/2004 1:07:38 PM PST by Markofhumanfeet
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