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To: GOPcapitalist
Don't ask me - that was Foote's charge, not mine. Look up his speech if you want to know though. The newspaper clipping does prove one thing though. Judah Benjamin, a senior member of Davis' cabinet, was actively pushing for a Supreme Court.

Perhaps it was because that as secretary of state for a country without diplomatic relations with any other country in the entire workd he had nothing else to do? Or maybe your reference is incorrect. In any case one would assume that if any member of the Davis regime would push for a court it would be the attorney general. He had nothing else to do, either.

The newspapers say otherwise. Live with it.

The journal of the confederate congress disagrees. Live with it.

Was Judah Benjamin not an ally of Davis?

As a cabinet member Benjamin could be granted a seat in the senate for the purpose of discussing any measure relating to his department. The supreme court fell outside his authority so he couldn't very well participate in the debates on that. Didn't Davis have any allies in the senate? There weren't any that seemed willing to fight against the continuous stonewalling done by those you claim were Davis opponents. Maybe all 26 were Davis opponents?

756 posted on 11/23/2003 4:24:10 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Perhaps it was because that as secretary of state for a country without diplomatic relations with any other country in the entire workd he had nothing else to do?

Now that's an odd statement for you to make. In addition to the thoroughly documented formal diplomatic relations conducted between the confederacy and the vatican, Benjamin was thoroughly involved in informal diplomatic correspondence with countries all over Europe for the entirity of his tenure. In fact, there were so many diplomatic correspondences with the Confederate State Department, both formal and informal, that they fill an entire volume in the government's "Official Records" series.

Or maybe your reference is incorrect.

Nope, it's accurate. I quoted straight out of the Charleston Mercury on the said date. Look it up and check for yourself if you doubt this.

In any case one would assume that if any member of the Davis regime would push for a court it would be the attorney general. He had nothing else to do, either.

For all we know, the AG sought a supreme court as well. As for having nothing to do, that too is another of your willful falsehoods. There is actually a lengthy description of the Justice Dept's activities and personel in that article I quoted the court system description from. But since you are not interested in the truth but rather only making factually unsubstantiated cheap shots against Davis, I do not expect you will take the time to read it either.

The journal of the confederate congress disagrees.

No it doesn't. It documents literally dozens upon dozens of times that the bill was brought up on the floor. At SOME of those times it was tabled while at others it was debated at length.

Was Judah Benjamin not an ally of Davis? (GOPcap)

As a cabinet member Benjamin could be granted a seat in the senate for the purpose of discussing any measure relating to his department. The supreme court fell outside his authority so he couldn't very well participate in the debates on that.

So in other words, you cannot even bring yourself to answer my question. You previously implied that Davis' allies didn't fight for the court. Judah Benjamin fought for the court, as I documented in the Charleston Mercury. So once again: Was or was not Judah Benjamin an ally of Davis?

Didn't Davis have any allies in the senate?

Yes he did, though they were a minority.

There weren't any that seemed willing to fight against the continuous stonewalling done by those you claim were Davis opponents.

Sure there were. Who else do you think kept trying to bring the bill up on the floor? Abe Lincoln? Santa Claus?

782 posted on 11/23/2003 1:07:47 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: Non-Sequitur
The journal of the confederate congress disagrees

Oh really? Let's take a look then at one of those debates. This one is from Jan. 27, 1863...

...in other words, a lengthy floor debate in which the bill's language was debated thoroughly and amended. Seeing as this did occur in a legislative body, there were doubtless many speeches in between each and every one of those motions as well.

Let's take another date, March 18, 1863. Another amendment to the bill came up and, as the journal specifically notes, it was subject to a floor debate.


784 posted on 11/23/2003 1:35:34 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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