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To: Held_to_Ransom
According to Time magazine, Bush has violated Habeus Corpus now 17,000 to 19,000 times. That's a record. No one knows the exact number because they can't talk to anyone. They just disappear.

While I am quite alarmed at the liberties taken, with liberty itself, by this administration, I still am in jaw-opened amazement at the lack of precision exhibited by you liberals.

You cannot 'violate' "Habeus Corpus" (sic). Habeas corpus is a demand. In latin, it means "produce the body", and in law is a demand for the prosecutor to produce the body of evidence. You can deny habeas corpus; you cannot violate it.

Furthermore, I would like to see that number substantiated. I suspect it is far lower and the individuals are deemed 'enemy combatants' -- an idea I am firmly against, BTW.

The reason I am against it so firmly is I dread to think what your gal, Hillary Clinton, will do with such a power.

496 posted on 11/16/2003 2:26:00 AM PST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY SCARING FELLOW FREEPERS SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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To: Lazamataz
You have a right to be safe on the streets. If I rob you, I have violated that right. You have a right to the legal protections granted in the Constitution, and if those are removed, your rights to them have been violated.

Laz, grow up and give the clintonisms. The truth of the matter is that Nixon was the only president to embarrass himself out of office, and while the technical process of impeachment under your legalistic definitions was applied to others, it didn't mean crap in the end.

Go ahead, tell that Nixon leaving office all depended on the meaning of the word is.

Laz, if walks like a duck, looks like a duck and acts like a duck, then it is a duck no matter how many times and way you define it to be porter house steak or whatever other childness nonsense you want to delude yourself with.

You are just hiding behind legalisms, and are behaving exactly as clinton did. Wake up and smell the coffee.
500 posted on 11/16/2003 8:44:07 AM PST by Held_to_Ransom
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