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To: A Simple Soldier
I used to teach my troops that it was easier to ask forgiveness than permission, and to do what needed to be done, whatever the consequences. Then stand up like a man (or woman) and take the consequences, whatever they were. It sounds to me like LtCol. West is of the same opinion. I hope it works out well for him. As long has he has competent council, it should, especially if he tells the truth of what happened, and what he was thinking as it happened. That said, I'd rather be commanded by an officer like him than one who would hesitate to do what he did. Far rather!

wrm, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
245 posted on 11/08/2003 7:07:32 PM PST by Old Student
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I waited a long time and did a lot of thinking with respect to Col. West before making a statement about this case. I have gotten pings and emails about this, and I'm sorry to have to say that I come down on the side of a strict and vigorous prosecution of the Colonel to determine whether or not he is guilty as charged, and if found guilty he should be punished within the directives of the UCMJ.

One thing that I know about Freepers since I have been here is that they understand that the Military is not the same as civilian life, nor do we want it that way. There are countless threads discussing how Clinton and others have tried to use the services as social experiments, how they have lowered standards in the name of political correctness, and how they have weakened our National Security through a political prism of tolerance.

This is why it is shocking to me that so many here would excuse what (if true) is a blatant violation of U.S. Military law. As Conservatives, we know that the law is more important than any individual in our society. The actions of Col. West may have indeed saved lives. This is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand. The UCMJ is what separates our services from the rest of the world. We have a standard that every person who serves swears to uphold. For officers it is most critical that they live up to the UCMJ, as examples of leadership.

In war, lives are lost. Each life is precious, and tragic if lost. However, when the UCMJ is violated, our nation stands to lose much more. It loses all that we claim to hold dear; our ideals, our values, our position of respect and leadership in the world. We cannot afford to bend, nudge or ignore our laws for even the slightest infractions. Once we do that, then the UCMJ is conditional, and for all intent and purposes, meaningless.

If laws are to be meaningful and respected, we cannot claim embarrassing exceptions because an officer stands to lose much through his infraction. Do we respect law? If we respect it conditionally, then we have no business expecting others not to create their own exceptions at their convenience. When other countries break laws and claim popular excuse, what is our argument? Col. West may become a symbol for what is right in this country by accepting his guilt (if found so) and using it to promote a higher purpose then his own interests.

We as Conservatives occasionally need to remember that the Military is not an environment for grey-area reasoning. The UCMJ is clear and concise in describing the responsibilities that servicemen swear to uphold. If someone can point me to the area where the UCMJ explains exceptions for law-breaking, I would be happy to reconsider my position. As a former career Navy officer, I was at no time unaware of my responsibility to uphold the UCMJ in all my official and unofficial actions while I wore the uniform.

If Col. West is guilty, he must pay the price for those crimes, or we will all pay the considerably larger price of losing the honor and respect of a nation based on laws.

246 posted on 11/08/2003 7:36:02 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Old Student
Then stand up like a man (or woman) and take the consequences, whatever they were.

That is the issue here. He seems to want to be exempted from judgement. Many on this list not only want that, they want him canonized.

He did the right thing. He made a bad guy crap his pants. Boo-hoo. BUT, it may not have been legal. We have a very good and fair system to reconcile that. And the Division Commander, not the SJA or those "evil" Pentagon pansies, makes the determination to go forward with legal proceedings. All the carping and huffing and puffing about the JAG shows total ignorance about the military. JAGs make recommendations. Commanders decide.

Furthermore, he punished his own soldiers for striking this same POW. This to me is probably the most bothersome aspect of the whole case.

251 posted on 11/08/2003 8:09:08 PM PST by A Simple Soldier
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