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To: supercat
Trick question with several nuances, cat. First, human reproductive process is different from the plant in fundamentally profound ways. Second, the acorn is scientifically already an individual member of the oak genus. We call the acorn a seed, but to apply the same word to the embryo before or after implantation is an erroneous analogy.

If a person is prosecuted for destroying a condor egg, it is the reality of the egg being a living organism and member of the condor species that triggers the illegality of destroying it.

83 posted on 11/06/2003 9:33:26 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
If a person is prosecuted for destroying a condor egg, it is the reality of the egg being a living organism and member of the condor species that triggers the illegality of destroying it.

From my understanding of avian biology, by the time a fertilized avian egg hatches, the embryo inside has already (1) passed the point-of-no-return in its development, and incidently (2) been packaged with everything necessary to develop into a hatchling, needing nothing more than an atmosphere which is at the right temperature and, FWIU, occasional slight physical motion. As such, it is without a doubt a self-contained organism.

Different species of plants and animals have enough differences in their development cycles that analogies tend to be imprecise. Nonetheless, my impression is that nearly all sexually-reproducing species produce offspring by first building a "scaffolding" which will later be discarded, and then commencing work on the organism within. In some sexually-reproducing series, the scaffolding is produced before fertilization (e.g. in avians) while in others it is produced afterward, but in almost all species it is produced somehow (not sure about marsupials).

I dunno, I guess I'd like to think that personhood is something that can't really be produced in a test tube. And so maybe my other beliefs are conformed to that (rightly or wrongly). Besides, as I've noted elsewhere, if we both agree that a 40-week fetus is a baby, why not focus efforts on points of agreement rather than disagreement?

87 posted on 11/06/2003 10:02:36 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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