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To: harmony
So, then, if human cloning becomes a feasible reality, everyone will cease to be unique humans, and thereby lose the right to life?

That's part of the reason I'd regard implantation as more of a 'landmark' than fertilization. I personally would regard an unimplanted embryo as being equivalent to an acorn: it is a genetically unique product of sexual reproduction, but it has not yet reached the point of development where it must forevermore either grow or perish. An acorn isn't considered a living tree until it enters the ground and germinate; I would apply a similar standard to human development.

77 posted on 11/06/2003 9:02:48 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: supercat
Have you ever opened up a peanut? When you break the outer shell, then open up the meat and look, at one end of the edible portion is a tiny peanut plant. Try it, it is revealing, cat!

I would also point out to my friend that to crush and dispose of the raw peanut is to end the life of an individual peanut plant at that individual plant's early age. If we look at the individuality of a zygote, to purposely kill that living zygote we have ended the lifetime already begun for the human being that is that zygote at that age in its lifetime continuum already begun.

Lastly, I would note for my friend that neither of us can say at what developmental age the human soul is present with the human body such that we can precisely say the soul was not present with that body moments before that instance. Since the scriptural reading states that God knits us together - body and soul, I would take Him at His word, that He is knitting together body and soul and I ought not be for disposing of His 'yarn'.

82 posted on 11/06/2003 9:28:12 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: supercat
An acorn is not a tree, but neither is a sapling a tree.
Even a 10 year old oak may not have *all* the characteristics of that species of oaks, but it's still an oak, and must " it must forevermore either grow or perish."
A human embryo is a human individual,a member of the species, even if he's not an infant, a toddler, or an adult capable of reproduction.

107 posted on 11/06/2003 11:24:49 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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