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Capsized barge in Texas port, may explode
Fox News Channel | November 6, 2003

Posted on 11/06/2003 12:31:45 PM PST by Tree of Liberty

Just caught the tail end of the report. Apparently, there is a capsized barge in a Texas port (didn't get the port's name). According to the Coast Guard, there are chemicals on board that, if mixed, will detonate.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: port; texas
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To: Old Sarge
Thanks for the PING!
61 posted on 11/06/2003 5:59:07 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (THANK YOU TROOPS, PAST and PRESENT)
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To: Ramius
The sulfuric mixed with SALT water will form some hydrochloric acid fumes and by being diluted, it is also ionized. The metal from the barge will reduce the hydrogen ions to hydrogen gas. The whole mess could go BOOM and splatter acid all over the place. I wouldn't care to be downwind.
62 posted on 11/06/2003 6:02:49 PM PST by stboz
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To: 76834
a link with pictures for texas city explosion: http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/metropolitan/txcity/devastation.html
63 posted on 11/06/2003 6:07:54 PM PST by dglang
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To: stboz
Makes one wonder if it wouldn't actually be better in the long run to dispatch an F-18... take it out with missile and burn up as much of the stuff as possible, before the buildup of hydrogen becomes too extreme?

OK... maybe a lousy idea, but it would make for some good TV. :-)
64 posted on 11/06/2003 6:10:43 PM PST by Ramius
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To: 76834
I remember it. The windows in my third grade classroom shook and I lived over a hundred miles from Texas City.
65 posted on 11/06/2003 7:03:01 PM PST by lonestar (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: concerned about politics
Stevie Ray Vaughan.
67 posted on 11/06/2003 7:22:28 PM PST by petuniasevan (Liberal Rule #4 - Lie loud and long enough and someone may believe it.)
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To: Ramius
My guess is those tanks near the capsized barge have been promptly emptied as a safety measure. They definitely do NOT want a repeat of what happened in 1947.

Mind you, what happened in 1947 was already a disaster waiting to happen. The problem was that the ship loaded with ammonium nitrate exploded literally right next to a petrochemical processing facility, and the nearby petroleum products igniting from the initial explosion added to that horrible disaster.

68 posted on 11/06/2003 7:23:22 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88
Yah... this doesn't look like it is sizing up to be anything like the ammonium nitrate blast, even if it does go nonlinear sometime soon.

From what I understand, that AN blast was all but tantamount to a small tactical nuke. Nasty business, that.
69 posted on 11/06/2003 7:35:35 PM PST by Ramius
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70 posted on 11/06/2003 7:48:08 PM PST by Will_Zurmacht
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To: concerned about politics
Stevie Ray Vaughan.
71 posted on 11/06/2003 7:48:18 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: spunkets
You are wrong, the company who owns the cargo has dock workers who oversee the loading of the cargo because they're financially responsible. I know, my husband is a Port Captain.
72 posted on 11/06/2003 7:50:39 PM PST by Eva
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To: Dog Gone
What's disodium iminodiacetic acid?
73 posted on 11/06/2003 8:37:18 PM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
NaOOCCH2NHCH2COONa

It's a precursor chem used to produce other chemicals that have a particular usefulness.

74 posted on 11/06/2003 8:43:16 PM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Polyimids? Kapton, Aramid, Kevlar?
75 posted on 11/06/2003 8:53:14 PM PST by null and void
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To: Eva
"the company who owns the cargo has dock workers who oversee the loading of the cargo because they're financially responsible."

The dock workers in your example are the owners agents. In your example the terminal and shipping company have an arrangement that has the cargo owners as the responsible party for the loading. This kind of an arrangement is not universal though.

A more common arrangement has the terminal and shipping company in total charge of the cargo, as with overland shipping. The responsibility moves from the cargo owner to the first carrier, then to the terminal, then to the 2nd carrier and so on. Crude is handled that way. In your example the cargo owners agents are supposed to oversee and are responsible for at least the terminal ops. That may be, because of clauses in the insurance coverage and terminal contract.

This story here looks like the chem sales company owns everything. It's not clear whether the acid was coming, or going. This sales company owns(leases?) the tank farm, the terminal facility and the acid, at least until the customer recieves it.

76 posted on 11/06/2003 9:12:22 PM PST by spunkets
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To: null and void
No, things like glyphosates(roundup) and chelating polymers. Those are water soluble polymers that would collect metal ions. Maybe as polymer component to promote adhesion of the polymer to metal a surface. The polymers you listed all have aromatic groups in the chain with 2 side groups bonding to the next monomer unit. That makes the chain very rigid and the tight matrix resulting from that rigidity makes it high temp capable. The iminodiacetic acid monomer has a single bond linking it to the next monomer unit. That makes it flexible and limits it's high temp stability.
77 posted on 11/06/2003 9:36:11 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Dog Gone
I think Sterling chem is just a sales company. They buy refinery output and sell that to folks that either repackage and resell it again, or are end users that are under the refinery/manufacturers minimum.
78 posted on 11/06/2003 9:41:38 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Will_Zurmacht
Hear,hear!
79 posted on 11/06/2003 9:53:13 PM PST by MEG33
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To: null and void
In kevlar, polyparaphenylene terephthalamide, hydrogen bonding provides the stiffness by crosslinking with adjacent chains. I knew you'd be curious, so.
80 posted on 11/06/2003 9:58:57 PM PST by spunkets
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