The Anti-American Right

NewsMax ^ | November 5, 2003 | Jack Wheeler

[Smokin' Joe]

He's now turned into Janet Reno without the WACO.

What? All those changes and no company barbecue?

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Re: "Jack Wheeler panders too much to the emotions."

Good point and I looked for the Bush-is-a-war-criminal quote. Perhaps Wheeler did not mean to say Mr. Phillips actually said it but it's what he means?

First I googled, "Howard Phillips" Bush "war crimes against the people of Iraq"

No hits.

After a few tries the closest I could find was an old Freep page

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-savimbi/browse

where Howard and son Brad accused President Bush of being at least partly to blame for the killing of "Christian leader, Dr. Jonas Mahleiro Savimbi. Dr. Savimbi, age 67, Angolan patriot, African nationalist, Christian leader and founder and president of the National Union for the Total Independence of Angola (UNITA)." It was from an old newsmax article.

I have no knowledge of Mr. Phillips. It's just that Mr. Wheeler sounded like a high schooler appealing to fellow students to trash a rival clique. I am new to the neo v. paleo and now it looks like it's even more complicated than that. I'll be looking for proof of Mr. Wheeler's charge that the "anti-American right" has ties to radical Islam.

[ModelBreaker]

My bad. Sorry.

[PhilDragoo]

Eschew pseudoconservative antisemitic fifth columnists.

[Tailgunner Joe]

He's right about Norquist, though.

[secretagent]

later

[jackbob]

The source of many conservatives? and libertarians? hatred for America is, however, no mystery: the baneful influence of the founder of the Libertarian Party, Murray Rothbard.

Setting aside the entire silly notion of this poorly written article, that disagreement with a particular, or set of particular political policies are somehow "anti-American," one can also question its accuracy on particular facts. Murray Rothbard was not "the founder of the Libertarian Party."

If harming the President and his policies is to be a measure of what is "anti-American, then clearly the most "anti-American" person named on this page was that of the author, Jack Wheeler.

[CodeMonkey]

Yes. Now maybe the Bushbots will start seeing the logic. If a terrorist is a terrorist, ie A=A and some anti-abortionists act like terrorists, then it could be curtains for much of the anti-abortion activists. What's the difference between blowing up the WTC and a legally sanctioned abortion clinic except scale for the purposes of the law? Like it or not, many Islamists are not active participants in the violence. They are Islamism's fellow travelers yet they're being detained. I find that it's scary how quickly many conservatives dismiss the possibility of an egregious abuse of executive power with these laws. I think it'll take a very bloody violation of many rights' civil rights to make them rethink their position on granting discressionary power to the fedgov.

I certainly despise Islam and as someone who follows a non-Abrahamic monotheistic religion I have a great incentive to oppose Islam in all of its forms, even "peaceful." I for one am just concerned that we'll see a wave of anti-gun rights, anti-abortion, etc PATRIOT usages under a democrat. Bin Laden's goal as he has made clear is to make us destroy ourselves. He knows that most Americans aren't rugged individualists, who with gun in hand, are ready to tell him and his fellow lunatics to bring it on.

[hchutch]

They can thank Allah it wasn't me, either.

At some point, the Taliban would have been given the Sir Arthur Harris treatment. A Dresden-esque firestorm at Kandahar would be most likely.

There would have been unconditional backing of Israeland a complete cutoff of aid to the Palestinians. Any diplomatic effort on their behalf would be rejected.

Other state sponsors of terrorism would have been given ultimatums to change certain patterns of conduct, or I would be in front of Congress asking for a declaration of war.

[Grampa Dave]

They are the most irrelevant people in politics. They can't win an election for dog catcher, yet they want to tell winners how to lose. If the winners listen to the losers.

[rmlew]

Sorry. Bush is not doing a great job on national security.
He has not secured our borders. He refuses to fight islamism in America.
Frankly, he failed to define the enemy or propose the necessary force structure to defeast the threat. He has sought to fight a world-war peicemeal and on the cheap. Now we are stuck.
There are members of the right who are wither purposely ignorant of the Islamist threat or those who are so afraid of it that they try to appease it. Hence their pathological hatred for those who stand up to the Islamists.

[rmlew]

I differentiate between the civil an Constitutional rights of citizens and non-citizens (especially illegal aliens).

[wideminded]

Something tells me that most people around here would not view this cartoon as depicting members of the Anti-American Right.

[JohnGalt]

Wheeler is a phony; look at his anti-American writings from 1995:

In 1995, Wheeler wrote this in the newsletter Strategic Investment:

The slaughter of dozens of women and children in Waco by government stormtroopers under the command of Field Marshall Reno may pale in comparison to what has been planned for late March: a nationwide BATF/FBI assault on private militias as the prelude to a possible declaration of martial law throughout the United States.

All leaves and vacations have been canceled for BATF/FBI personnel, and for various State Police and National Guards such as California's. The Army's infamous Joint Task Force Six (which did the training for Waco) has been training BATF jackbooters with Bradley Assault Vehicles at Ft. Bliss, Texas. Government agent provocateurs are set to plant fully automatic and heavy weapons, like rocket launchers, on the property of militia leaders. Every militia in the country -- and there are dozens, many of which are well-armed and well-lead by former or even active-duty officers -- is on a state of Red Alert. Should Reno be stupid enough to actually attack them militarily, there is going to be a lot of blood.

The establishment media is programmed to immediately thereafter thunderously bellow for nationwide gun confiscation and even martial law. The Senate Armed Forces Committee has been alerted and is questioning key Defense and Justice people behind closed doors. Hopefully, Reno's Waco 2 can be stopped in time.

And to slam a friend of this forum Bob Barr?? Who are these new FR people?

[FBD]

"Something tells me that most people around here would not view this cartoon as depicting members of the Anti-American Right."

Something tells me... your moniker is a misnomer

[Cultural Jihad]

The source of many ... libertarians’ hatred for America is, however, no mystery: the baneful influence of the founder of the Libertarian Party, Murray Rothbard. He is the reason why so much of the entire libertarian movement is in bed with the hate-America left ...

Moral-liberal birds of a feather BTTT.

[arete]

Orwellian -- to be for America's best interests first is now anti-American.

Anyone who isn't on the neoconazi bandwagon is going to be called anti-American. Sign of the times as we rush headfirst into a central planning fascist police state. No liberties or freedom will be safe from the neoconazis and no dissent from the groupthink party line will be tolerated. Get ready for it cause it is coming on fast and strong.

Richard W.

[arete]

Something tells me that most people around here would not view this cartoon as depicting members of the Anti-American Right.

More like a top level meeting of the RNC.

Richard W.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

What was all that gibberish you just spewed supposed to accomplish?

Or did you simply copy it from your facist manifesto? I seriously hope you keep on spewing because it lets people know what the core beliefs and behaviors of your fringe group are all about. That will make the GOP even stronger as time goes by

Incidently, I meant no respect on your behalf because you show none what soever yourself.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The "true conservatives" around these parts are damned near posting Kerry and Dean speeches verbatim.

They claim that there's no difference between Bush and Clinton, and sound like every Democrat running for president while doing it.