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Group Moves to Save Endangered Turtle
Macon Telegraph ^ | 11/4/03 | Margie Mason

Posted on 11/04/2003 8:08:40 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

HANOI, Vietnam - There once was a magic golden turtle that lived in Hanoi's most enchanted lake. In real life, the last giant soft-shell turtle living in Hoan Kiem Lake probably will die alone, and at least one biologist says the species will then be extinct.

The giant turtle was believed so powerful, it snatched a divine sword from a warrior king and returned it to the gods of the depths nearly six centuries ago. That tale has long been a favorite among young and old Vietnamese living in the capital city, but folklorists soon may have to rewrite the story to include a very sad ending.

The elusive creature - with a shell as big as a desk - occasionally pokes its wrinkled head out of the murky waters of the downtown lake to take a breath, but few Vietnamese are lucky enough to glimpse it. And certainly no one knows its age.

Scientists say it probably is the most endangered freshwater turtle species in the world.

"This species is a huge, huge animal that's incredibly endangered and it really needs help," said Anders Rhodin, co-chair of the World Conservation Union's Tortoise and Freshwater Turtle Specialist Group. "I don't think anyone is willing to try to capture that animal in Hoan Kiem Lake. I think it is thought to be sacred."

Conservationists are determined, however, not to let the legendary turtle species die out. In November, researchers from Hanoi National University and the U.S.-based Wildlife Conservation Society plan to scout lakes in Thanh Hoa province, 100 miles south of Hanoi where other giant turtles have been sighted, but never confirmed.

"We're going to the province to see whether there's any truth to this," said Douglas Hendrie, the society's Asia regional turtle conservation coordinator who has worked in Vietnam since 1996. "The species is very, very, very important to Vietnam culturally and therefore of high priority when it comes to conservation."

Legend has it that in the mid-15th century, King Le Loi defeated Chinese invaders with a magic sword given to him by the gods. After the victory, the king was said to be boating on the lake when a giant golden turtle rose to the surface and grabbed the sword in its mouth before plunging deep into the water to return it to its divine owners.

The lake was later renamed "Ho Hoan Kiem," which means "Lake of the Returned Sword," and the tale became an important part of Vietnamese culture that continues to be taught in school and performed at popular water puppetry shows.

But just like the Loch Ness Monster or the Tasmanian Tiger, no mythical creature comes without controversy. Vietnamese biologist Ha Dinh Duc, who has studied the lone turtle since 1991, reported in 2000 that it was a new species and named it Rafeteus leloii after the king.

Other scientists dispute his conclusion, saying at least five other turtles of the same species, Rafeteus swinhoei, have been found in zoos and a monastery in neighboring China.

But Duc, who vows to study the turtle for the rest of his life, said no one has spent more time researching and viewing it than he has.

"There's no other types of turtle like this in other countries," Duc said. "Their assessment is totally wrong."

As he slid his wire glasses up his nose and rifled furiously through years of yellowed papers and stacks of color photos, he spoke about the turtle like a child.

It weighs about 440 pounds and its massive shell stretches 6 feet long and 4 feet wide. Its gender remains a secret along with its age because only Duc has been lucky enough to view it completely out of the water a few times as it rested on an island in the middle of the small, shallow lake.

Hendrie said the turtle could likely live up to 100 years, but Duc believes it's conceivable for the animal to be old enough for Le Loi himself to have released it into the lake, which was once part of the Red River.

The World Conservation Union ranks the turtle as critically endangered, the most threatened category, saying the animal is "perilously close to extinction" and "currently probably the most endangered freshwater turtle in the world."

Its precarious circumstances mirror those of many turtle species, especially in Asia. The organization says 74 percent of the continent's 90 freshwater turtle and tortoise species are listed as threatened due to continuing demand for food and traditional medicine.

Hendrie and Rhodin, the other expert, said they're optimistic about finding other giant soft-shell turtles in the wild or placing the ones in China together in captivity to try to save the species from extinction. Turtles remain fertile until death, so it's possible for even very old animals to mate, but they said more research is necessary before any steps can be taken.

However, the prospects for the Hoan Kiem turtle, as it is known, look bleak. Duc said three others like it emerged from the lake in the 1960s, but all of them have died and all of the scientists agree only one remains. One huge stuffed specimen is displayed in a small temple on an island in the lake, but not even Duc is bold enough to disturb the revered creature that will undoubtedly have its own legend centuries from now.

"No one is allowed to touch this turtle," Duc said, sitting by the water. "If something went wrong, who would be responsible? It would be a big deal that would impact the soul of a nation."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: animalrights; environment; turtle

1 posted on 11/04/2003 8:08:41 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Nixon should've ordered special forces to come in and kill these suckers off during the Xmas bombing offensive.
2 posted on 11/04/2003 8:12:17 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"No one is allowed to touch this turtle,"

Good dating advise for teens.

3 posted on 11/04/2003 8:15:02 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; AAABEST; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.

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4 posted on 11/04/2003 8:15:38 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!
5 posted on 11/04/2003 8:23:06 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"The species is very, very, very important to Vietnam culturally and therefore of high priority when it comes to conservation."

If the last one dies, does the Vietnamese culture fade away as if it never was?

6 posted on 11/04/2003 8:26:34 AM PST by trebb
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; Victoria Delsoul; PatrickHenry; Quila; Rudder; donh; VadeRetro; ...
Earth banner
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Giant turtle sightings set Vietnam capital abuzz

Turtle
Ceramic turtle on display at Hanoi National University  
April 13, 1998
Web posted at: 1:56 p.m. EDT (1756 GMT)

HANOI, Vietnam (AP) -- The Vietnamese capital of Hanoi is buzzing with excitement following reported sightings of rare giant turtles in a downtown lake where thousands of pedestrians pass daily. And amateur video footage purportedly of the turtles, long believed to be nothing more than myth and legend, now has skeptics wondering whether the giant beasts really do exist.

For years, people have reported sighting three giant turtles in Hanoi's Hoan Kiem Lake. The latest sighting, and perhaps one of the most credible, came on March 24, when passersby caught a glimpse of the turtles as they surfaced to take in the spring air.

Rare giant turtles reportedly spotted in a downtown Hanoi, Vietnam lake
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An amateur cameraman caught the creatures' appearance on video, which subsequently aired on Vietnamese television. The station also claimed the turtles made a second appearance on April 5. Researchers who have been trying to get a glimpse of the turtles believe they could be the only ones of their kind in the world.

Big turtle stories date back 5 centuries

Stories about the mysterious creatures have been circulating for about 500 years, starting with the legend of King Le Loi and the giant turtle of Hoan Kiem Lake. According to legend, the gods gave Le Loi a magic sword, which helped him battle the Chinese invaders.

Having freed Vietnam, the king and his courtiers were boating on the lake when a giant turtle arose, took the magic sword, then plunged to the depths and returned the blade to its divine owners. Since that time the lake's name has been "Ho Hoan Kiem," which means "Lake of the Returned Sword."

The story is retold in thousands of schoolbooks, and in popular performances at Hanoi's water-puppet theaters.

Turtle
A Vietnamese television station broadcast this amateur recording of an alleged giant turtle in Hoan Kiem Lake  

Mythology, science mix in turtle pursuit

Mythology and science mix in the work of Hanoi National University's Professor Ha Dinh Duc, the world's foremost expert on the turtles of the Returned Sword Lake.

"The Hoan Kiem turtle is the world's biggest fresh water turtle. It can measure 2 meters (6 1/2 feet) long and can weigh as much as 200 kilograms," said Professor Ha Dinh Duc of Hanoi National University.

Professor Duc has been studying the turtles for the past decade, sometimes in conjunction with international reptile specialists. Some biologists feel these turtles could be the same as a rare species found near Shanghai, China, but Professor Duc disagrees.

"I've compared these with other fresh-water turtles elsewhere in the world and I see real differences. I hope further studies will show this is a new species," he said.

Hoan Kiem turtle could be new species

A Hoan Kiem turtle, found and preserved 30 years ago, is now displayed at a small temple on an island in the lake. The plaque tells visitors it is thought to be more than 500 years old -- old enough, in fact, to be the turtle of the legend.

A comparison of the preserved turtle with images of the Shanghai species shows clear differences in coloration and head shape, supporting Dr. Duc's thesis that this could be a new species. Much remains unknown about these ancient monsters living in the center of downtown Hanoi -- their number, reproductive ability, origins, and especially, whether or not they're unique to the Lake of the Returned Sword.

"If we have cooperation from international experts and they determine this is a new species, it will be a significant contribution to world biological diversity. And since the turtles are right here in the middle of urban Hanoi, many people can easily come to see them," Professor Duc said.

Meanwhile, plans are afoot to clear the lake of pollution that could potentially harm the creatures, and the construction of an artificial beach has been proposed to facilitate breeding.
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7 posted on 11/04/2003 8:27:44 AM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
Looks like a snapper to me. If it's big, I'd leave it alone.
8 posted on 11/04/2003 8:31:40 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

9 posted on 11/04/2003 8:36:20 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Ought to make a tasty soup, though.
10 posted on 11/04/2003 8:45:17 AM PST by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: KantianBurke
Nixon should've ordered special forces to come in and kill these suckers off during the Xmas bombing offensive.

Much as I don't like environmentalist whackos, I despise people who advocate the destruction of a species or a habitat specifically to piss off environmentalists even more.
11 posted on 11/04/2003 1:18:24 PM PST by Dimensio (The only thing you feel when you take a human life is recoil. -- Frank "Earl" Jones)
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To: Dimensio
"It would be a big deal that would impact the soul of a nation."

Please. During wartime, as our fighting men learned so cruelly in that conflict, damaging civilian morale at home is equal to if not more important than any number of battlefield victories. In 1972 we were at war with the North Vietnamese. Such an action would have helped our side.

12 posted on 11/04/2003 4:55:30 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the info, Saber.

It looks like a rubber ducky to me.


13 posted on 11/04/2003 7:24:45 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (I love the smell of winning, the taste of victory, and the joy of each glorious triumph)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hello

I have new pictures (16/12-2004) of this turtle from the Hoan Kiem Lake in Hanoi. I have some great shoots of it's head, with many details. If someone would like to see my pictures, you're very welcome to contact me.

/Anders
14 posted on 02/27/2005 4:58:08 AM PST by Anders Haugaard (New Pictures (16/12-2004))
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