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To: Heartlander
Now, are teachers to be asked if they believe in a designer - and if so who is it? Again, litmus test? Who has an agenda here?

No, not a litmus test. You really need to go back and read what I actually posted, especially the part where I said "And when the children in science class ask you, betty, who you think the designer is..."

Whether I ask or not is neither here nor there - it is inevitable that the students will ask. And what will you say?

I am a Christian, but as a teacher and asked, “Who you think the designer is?” (because a student believed design is present) I would say if that is a good question for you to discuss with your parents.

Perhaps we ought to make teachers swear an oath similar to witnesses in a courtroom, to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You answer by ducking the question, which at least has the virtue of not being an outright falsehood, but it's not exactly the whole truth, is it? I wonder what they will infer from the fact that you are obviously hiding something. I wonder how many people will give in to the temptation to stop hiding their light under a bushel.

Now what would you say and what do you believe?

If I had to teach intelligent design, and I were asked who I thought the designer was? I choose honesty, in that case - "Thus far, there is no scientific evidence to support the theory of intelligent design - I'm only teaching this because they make me." Not that I would take such a job in the first place, mind you.

425 posted on 11/05/2003 9:14:51 PM PST by general_re ("I am Torgo. I take care of the place while the Master is away.")
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To: general_re
First, you are proposing a litmus test and a specific ‘light under the bushel - swearing under oath – I still don’t trust you though and you need to be monitored’ litmus test.
(I have teachers, professors, and students that go to my church… would teachers need to go to a different church than their students under your system?)
I would say statistically that the majority of teachers are Christian. Do you trust them ‘now’ or should they be removed. There is nothing stopping a student from asking similar questions currently.

Second, if ID was taught under your ‘hypothetical’, it would obviously need to be based on actual scientific findings. Many questions could be asked in this regard from an engineering perspective but as to the identity of the designer… agnostics can pose theories such as Hoyle and Davies but I cannot ever foresee ‘scientific’ agreement and leave it up to the individual.

Third, if you want truth in science class than you are in agreement with many…

And finally, again, what do you believe?

485 posted on 11/06/2003 9:25:53 AM PST by Heartlander
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