To: betty boop
But ID does not specify any particular mind. So? My point is that it requires a mind of some sort. This is undeniably true.
It looks at the design, not the designer. Period.
Ah, I could have rolled this together with A-G's post if only I had been quicker. ;)
How exactly does one have "design" in the absence of a "designer"?
112 posted on
11/04/2003 9:42:17 AM PST by
general_re
("I am Torgo. I take care of the place while the Master is away.")
To: general_re
How exactly does one have "design" in the absence of a "designer"?
The two possibilities I mentioned:
1. If the whole universe is conscious and directing its own evolution of biological life. 2. If biological life on earth was seeded by other civilizations in the cosmos (panspermia).
To: general_re; Alamo-Girl; PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; js1138; Phaedrus; RadioAstronomer; Heartlander; ...
How exactly does one have "design" in the absence of a "designer"? One doesn't, general_re. But "design" can be a scientific question in a way that "Designer" -- or even "no-designer" -- can never be. To enter into such questions is to enter metaphysics. The "pro-God" (theist) and "anti-God" (atheist) positions both are ultimately metaphysical conceptions that have no place in the scientific disciplines.
124 posted on
11/04/2003 10:14:39 AM PST by
betty boop
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