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To: betty boop
But ID does not specify any particular mind.

So? My point is that it requires a mind of some sort. This is undeniably true.

It looks at the design, not the designer. Period.

Ah, I could have rolled this together with A-G's post if only I had been quicker. ;)

How exactly does one have "design" in the absence of a "designer"?

112 posted on 11/04/2003 9:42:17 AM PST by general_re ("I am Torgo. I take care of the place while the Master is away.")
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To: general_re
How exactly does one have "design" in the absence of a "designer"?

The two possibilities I mentioned:

1. If the whole universe is conscious and directing its own evolution of biological life.

2. If biological life on earth was seeded by other civilizations in the cosmos (panspermia).


118 posted on 11/04/2003 10:03:14 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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How exactly does one have "design" in the absence of a "designer"?

One doesn't, general_re. But "design" can be a scientific question in a way that "Designer" -- or even "no-designer" -- can never be. To enter into such questions is to enter metaphysics. The "pro-God" (theist) and "anti-God" (atheist) positions both are ultimately metaphysical conceptions that have no place in the scientific disciplines.

124 posted on 11/04/2003 10:14:39 AM PST by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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