Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles - Daily Terror Threat

Debka ^ | 11-3-2003 | Staff

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

My wife expects they will use their own baby as a prop.
She lived in Beirut as a kid and has a healthy distrust of the jihadis.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...My thought, "that is the way the Norovirus is being served on the ships and large groups". Could be in the ice or the juice...

Good point. Anyone who has spent any time in the third world knows never to have ice in anything. If the water isn't naturally poisoned, it's likely to have additives.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Ruth, you are a wealth of information.

We have a year round greenhouse, we are picking our greens now. Will remember to buy non hybrid seeds for february planting.

[jstolzen]

I've also told her about the Italian paper article ("AQ: We will destroy NYC in <=35 days."). Do you have a reference to this?

Yep. It was in the main Italian paper of the Prime Minister and reported by Debka:

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=757

Note that no-one here (or anywhere else) disputed the fact it was IN that paper..instead, many blasted Debka. But NO-ONE in the USG, FR, or any major news agency argued the fact that the article WAS published on the front page of what is apparently Italy's main paper.

I'm surprised there are not more like me absolutely freaking out about this. Imagine if this was the front page of the NYT, WSJ, etc. Isn't that what we're talking about here, with it being front page of one of Italy's main (equivalent to NYT, etc) papers?!!!

Seems like a pretty credible threat to me.

[LivFREEordie]

Two new messages posted overnight at the CALL19 yahoo group. Can someone post & decipher them?

[jstolzen]

My lips are sealed because it is an ongoing incvestigation involving national law enforcement. That's all. Sorry for being cryptic, but that just me. ;)

Thanks, Shawn. That's pretty much what I expected.

PLEASE do us a favor, though. You apparently have some solid contacts in the USG. PLEASE deliver the message to them that the American public deserves to "really" know what in the hell is going on. We have families to protect.

I think some of their reluctance to tell us is due to law enforcement, and that is OK. But I also think there is a tendency in gov't to think that we can't handle the information without panicking. (That's my nice way to say I think the politicians are putting re-election and politics [due to probable impact on the economy if they suddenly told us there were loose suitcase nukes on US soil, for instance] than they care about our lives. And if that's the case - we're gonna get us some new politicians next time around - REGARDLESS of personal party affiliation).

I always thought that if I was in a position similar to GWBs that I would level with the people. Directly. With NO hesitation.

We need to come together as a nation to fight the threat. The USG is not going to do it alone, and they need to realize that we can contribute significantly to protecting our country if they would JUST. LEVEL. WITH. US.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...You are indeed lucky...

I am well aware of that. I never forget how I started out in life.

Liberty's teath.

Rhode Island is a corrupt little place, but if I was two miles east, I'd be helpless in Massachusetts. My brother, former marine, pillar of his community, man of means and all, was denied a license to carry by his local police chief. "No valid reason demonstrated."

Can't safely have firearms in his home. Not for fear of crime or children, but for fear of the cops and nosy neighbors.

But I get to play with his m-14. :)

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

I came out of retirement to inspect and remediate the local nuke plant and electrical grid. If the big fuss wasn't made, there would have been major problems.

All of the plants with the same design as the one I did, had done practically nothing when our team was finished.

I drove the project to completion, bowling over the union and the regulators, to finish in early spring.
Every one else was then able to piggyback on our work and got their places in shape without straining a braincell.

Y2k wasn't a hoax, it was alleviated because Americans rose to the occaision.

Hopefully, this terrorism crap will be handled too, in the same way, although our beauracracy is squarely in the way as usual.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

I don't.

I am the chef.
I homeschooled the kids.
I learned to make pretty pony tails and taught the rottweilers to hold still while they got dressed up in bonnets and dresses and high heels and get into the baby carriage.
Washed clothes. (before we got a maid)

Yet, I am more macho than any grubby nailed lout. I just don't believe that being helpless makes one a man, or that showing one's softer side to one's family makes one a wimp.

[Raebie]

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/life/story/0,6903,532626,00.html

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2003/sept/25/top_stories/20030925top4.html

[Raebie]

http://timbuk3.com/oct02.htm The Basra airport, a cavernous building designed to accommodate thousands of international travelers, has reopened -- to handle two domestic flights a day. The duty-free shop, too, has come back to life, hawking perfumes, spirits and an odd assortment of leather jackets to Baghdad-bound travelers. Getting out of the country no longer requires a 10-hour road trip to the Jordanian capital, Amman. Royal Jordanian Airlines now zips into Baghdad four times a week. And a charter carrier called Gulf Air Falcon flies to Syria using a 747 that is unmarked except for an Arabic inscription stating, "We fly by the grace of God."

[Raebie]

Sorry, link screwed up...

http://timbuk3.com/oct02.htm

"The Basra airport, a cavernous building designed to accommodate thousands of international travelers, has reopened -- to handle two domestic flights a day. The duty-free shop, too, has come back to life, hawking perfumes, spirits and an odd assortment of leather jackets to Baghdad-bound travelers.

Getting out of the country no longer requires a 10-hour road trip to the Jordanian capital, Amman. Royal Jordanian Airlines now zips into Baghdad four times a week. And a charter carrier called Gulf Air Falcon flies to Syria using a 747 that is unmarked except for an Arabic inscription stating, "We fly by the grace of God."

[Sean Osborne Lomax]

Roger. I wish they would all be as straight forward as Rep. Tom Shays has been. I'm doing what I can.

[Velveeta]

I wonder how he found this thread to know what has been discussed.

He can check who has linked to his site and ban that url.

[Selene]

I had time to look up a few more airlines and found all of these matches for today.
Does this mean anything?  How can all these airlines use the same flight number?
I am getting a stomach ache.
ALASKA
383	San Jose, CA (SJC)	Seattle/Tacoma, WA (SEA)
	Jan 08 - 9:06am	Jan 08 - 11:10am
602	Portland, OR (PDX)	Las Vegas, NV (LAS)
	Jan 08 - 12:39pm	Jan 08 - 2:42pm
DELTA
420	Nassau, Bahamas (NAS)	New York-LaGuardia, NY (LGA)
	Jan 08 - 7:35pm	Jan 08 - 10:25pm
118	New York-Kennedy, NY (JFK)	Paris de Gaulle, France (CDG
	Jan 08 - 7:15pm	Jan 09 - 8:40am
KLM	None
AMERICAN
383	Dallas/Ft Worth, TX (DFW)	Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (PVR)
	Jan 08 - 6:59pm	Jan 08 - 9:38pm
420	Dallas/Ft Worth, TX (DFW)	Toronto, Canada (YYZ)
	Jan 08 - 7:31pm	Jan 08 - 11:28pm
602	Chicago-Ohare, IL (ORD)	Hartford/Springf, CT (BDL)
	Jan 08 - 7:36pm	Jan 08 - 10:37pm
847	Chicago-Ohare, IL (ORD)	Kansas City, MO (MCI
	Jan 08 - 6:42pm	Jan 08 - 8:14pm
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[Domestic Church]

Never did find the brandy last night,lol...had to settle for a cup of tea as I had too much cooking and many chores to catch up with and promised to listen to my son's reading of chapter 2 of Frankenstein.

If only we were dealing with Frankenstein here and not the Jihadi. That monster would be a piece of cake to stop.

[Domestic Church]

Thanks for posting that map of Northwestern Ontario...my server isn't letting me access diddley these days.
The first thing that caught my eye was Thunder Bay...there were lots of thunder references in the jihadi postings. Do all those waterways feed into Lake Superior? Are there any faultlines of note in northwestern Ontario?

[Try2Discern]

I would go ahead and buy the hybrid seeds for February planting. Your yield will be much higher. I believe that "Granny" was just urging you to buy the non-hybrid seeds to store for emergencies. The non-hybrid type keeps much longer than hybrid seeds, yet produce less yield.

[WestCoastGal]

Hi Ruth: Very interesting story, I can just imagine what these girls were up to. I would like to see a follow up to this to see if the feds still have them. I wonder what their rap sheet looked like and where they were coming from, I would bet Mexico. But, how they got across the border with what looked like Ricin and instructions etc. Although they can't go through every car that comes across the border and if the two were young and cute, well....

Thanks for your insight and experience!

[Velveeta]

My "hinky" meter still ticking about this crash. Strange stuff surfacing about the "pilot":

Local victim in Red Sea crash a man of mystery


By Jeff McDonald
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

January 8, 2004

His life was rooted in parallel worlds, and friends say Ashraf Abdelhamid traveled through each with equal parts savvy, style and mystery.

Last weekend, Abdelhamid, 42, was apparently in the cockpit of a chartered Boeing 737 that crashed nose first into the Red Sea. He and 147 others, mostly French tourists, were killed instantly.

The son of an Egyptian diplomat who made his home in Pacific Beach, Palm Springs, Cairo and sometimes England, Abdelhamid was a devoted Muslim and an astute San Diego businessman.

He was a dual citizen of Egypt and the United States, a committed husband and a one-time fighter pilot. He also was a Freemason, an intelligence officer for the National Guard, a security expert and a government-trained cavalry scout, depending on the circumstances.

News of his death has been circulating all week among San Diego pilots, business owners, Freemasons and other acquaintances, who described separate pieces of a complicated, enigmatic existence.

Abdelhamid's wife of 11 years, Madeline Witney of Palm Springs, heard about the crash on the news as she was driving to work Sunday and immediately began worrying that her husband was somehow involved. Later that day, it was all but confirmed.

"He was the sort of man who could hold court," she recalled. "If there were two people in a room, he could hold their attention; if there were 2,000 people, he could hold their attention."

Witney met Abdelhamid in San Diego in 1990. He was an Egyptian-born, divorced father of two girls, and she was a transplant from England. They married two years later.

"He was just dynamic, extremely intelligent," Witney said.

But even Witney admits there were gaps in what she knew about Abdelhamid. He was interested in many things and involved in endeavors of all kinds. There were long stretches of time spent apart.

She last saw her husband in September in London, where he caught a plane bound for Cairo and she was flying to San Diego. She spoke to him New Year's Eve and was counting the days until his return. He was due to arrive at Lindbergh Field yesterday.

An accomplished pilot who flew jets for the Egyptian air force when he was in his 20s, Abdelhamid was in Cairo to finish his commercial aviation training, his wife said.

His family owns Flash Airlines, the charter service shuttling tourists to Paris at the time of the crash, she said. The couple were talking about where they would live once he earned his license to fly large passenger jets.

No one from Flash Airlines could be reached for comment. The company did not return phone, e-mail and faxed messages. Investigators ruled out terrorist attack and pilot error as causes of the accident and instead are pointing to mechanical failure.

Friends say Abdelhamid was keenly interested in subjects and events the world over. He owned two businesses in San Diego, a janitorial service and a company that cleaned construction sites, they said. He worked on a master's degree in his spare time.

"We did a lot of talking about history, the ways of the world, general philosophy," said Fred Kleyn, a retired Navy officer from Spring Valley who knew Abdelhamid through San Diego Masonic Lodge No. 35.

"He was one of those guys that wears their clothes out from the inside," Kleyn said. "He was always in motion, always on the go, doing, thinking, very animated."

Abdelhamid worked part time as a security guard for the San Diego Convention Center between 1997 and 1999, and held current firearms, baton and guard permits from the state Bureau of Security and Investigative Services.

He also had a foreign-based transport plane pilot's license, although one friend said he lost his job as a cargo pilot after the September 2001 terrorist attacks because of his ethnicity. U.S. government officials interviewed him after those attacks.

"He was a Muslim and he flew planes, so yeah, he had a tough time," said Paul McMullen, a longtime friend who met Abdelhamid when the latter owned a security company that did work for one of McMullen's former employers, the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

"He made enough money in his business practices to pursue hobbies like you and I might pursue a career," said McMullen, who last saw Abdelhamid in August. "He went after things that most people never really pursued."


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20040108-9999_6m8victim.html