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Southern California Fires Live Thread -- 11/2/2003, Sunday
November 2, 2003 | many

Posted on 11/02/2003 7:04:53 AM PST by First_Salute

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Old Fire's spread to High Desert unprecedented
In the 100 years records have been kept, no blaze has started in S.B. Valley and reached the desert
21 posted on 11/02/2003 9:49:54 AM PST by lainie
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To: NormsRevenge
Blazes renew policy battle --- article by Stuart Leavenworth and Deb Kollars in the Sacramento Bee: --- posted at FR on Nov. 2, 2003, by NormsRevenge
22 posted on 11/02/2003 10:01:02 AM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute
San Diego fires - Wednesday, Oct. 29

 

23 posted on 11/02/2003 10:09:44 AM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute

Simi Valley
24 posted on 11/02/2003 10:14:36 AM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: okimhere
Medical Aid Call - Hook Creek area
25 posted on 11/02/2003 12:24:02 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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a member of a contract felling crew was hit by a tree...critical head and back injuries (not sure if broken)...no amputations...taken to community mtn hospital to be airlifted out...just said his "female" party not allowed on air ambulance...

and

pack of wild dogs eating smaller pets in one area...
26 posted on 11/02/2003 12:57:58 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: First_Salute; lainie
Thanks so much for compiling all of this! Lainie, all of us can't thank you enough for starting and keeping the threads going.
27 posted on 11/02/2003 2:16:26 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (I have a good recipe for Spotted Owl!)
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Great news! I just heard from my neighbor in Crestline...MY PLACE SURVIVED!

A few smoldering trees not too far away but my cabin is safe. She said that all of Crestline is there. Looking at the burn map it's an island surrounded by devestation, but it's still there!

To be honest...I had almost given up all hope.

Thank you to the fire crews for a great job! I just wish more people could have had the same fortune.

28 posted on 11/02/2003 3:08:35 PM PST by South40
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To: South40
WONDERFULL!!!!
29 posted on 11/02/2003 3:40:19 PM PST by null and void
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WONDERFUL!!!!!! WHOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!

I think I'll visit you this winter when it all settles down. Lainie, myself....let's see....we'll get a little party going. We'll let you know when we're available. HAR! (I'm kidding....honest I am. I think we should all meet at Lainie's instead.....wonder if she'll see this?)

30 posted on 11/02/2003 3:44:55 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (I have a good recipe for Spotted Owl!)
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To: South40
Glad to hear it! Wheww!
31 posted on 11/02/2003 3:45:15 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: South40
I had a similar revelation from my friend, too. She must live in your neighborhood :) Congrats to you both!
32 posted on 11/02/2003 4:52:54 PM PST by lainie
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Thanks! My place is on Seeley Way, about 50yds west of 138. Can't wait to get up there and see it. Then, again, it's bound to be a sobering experience.
33 posted on 11/02/2003 4:56:59 PM PST by South40
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I'm very happy for your good fortune!
34 posted on 11/02/2003 4:58:56 PM PST by nicmarlo
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Incident: 0331 Type: Media Information
Location: FIRE RELATED ROAD CLOSURES Border Comm Center
Zoom Map: Click Here Info as of: 11/2/2003 5:00:34 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
2:43PM - HARRISON GRADE DR FROM 76 TO PALOMARE
1:37PM -
1:37PM - A PRESS RELEASE IS BEING FAXED AND E-MAILED OUT
1:36PM - IT CONTAINS A REQUEST FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO AVOID THE BURNED AREAS FOR SEVERAL MORE DAYS, EVEN IF THE ROADS AREA OPEN
10:40AM -
10:40AM - JULIAN IS OPEN TO EVERYONE, HOWEVER, FIREFIGHTERS WOULD PERFER THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC STILL STAY OUT OF THE AREA
10:40AM -
10:03AM - SR-76 FROM SOUTH GRADE RD TO 79 (RESIDENTS ARE ALLOWED IN)
35 posted on 11/02/2003 5:01:44 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Thanks! I appreciate your thoughts.
36 posted on 11/02/2003 5:03:20 PM PST by South40
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Incident: 0971 Type: Report of Fire
Location: SR138 JEO CLEGHORN CANYON RD Arrowhead
Zoom Map: 4735 5J Info as of: 11/2/2003 5:02:28 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
5:01PM - 1039 COMM CENTER
37 posted on 11/02/2003 5:03:29 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: lainie
Just to take this off topic for a nanosecond: Happy Birthday! Keep those candles under control now, y'hear?
38 posted on 11/02/2003 5:45:03 PM PST by okimhere
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To: First_Salute
I'm not trying to make excuse for folks but don't you think it's tough to keep track of patients and medicine dosese when there is an emergency evacuation going on? I'd bet they're doing the best they can under these circumstances and getting back to normal again. I realize for some it is life and death and hopefully they won't be the ones that lose their life.
39 posted on 11/02/2003 5:48:29 PM PST by nmh
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KBHR 93.3 FM - Local News as of 4:25 P.M. PST, Sunday, Nov. 2, 2003 ---
PLEASE NOTE ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS REPORT IS AN EVACUATION UPDATE FOR THE CRESTLINE AREA AS OF 5:42 P.M. PST, SUNDAY, NOV. 2, 2003.

As of 4:25 PM
This is the last update for today. After the 6:00 AM briefing the radio report and this web site will be updated.

Road information:

The mandatory evacuation is now a voluntary evacuation for the Big Bear Valley only. Other Mountain communities are still under a mandatory evacuation. The evacuation for the Big Bear Valley was down graded to voluntary this morning at 8:00 AM. Keep these facts in mind while making your return plans.

Here is the latest information that we have on the Old Fire

According to Michael Perry, the City Manager for Big Bear Lake, plans are being made to reschedule Halloween in the Village for sometime soon, this will allow the children to have a little fun and for the entire community to come together to share stories, thank firefighters, law enforcement, and the hundreds of people who remained behind to assure utilities remained on. We will share the details, as they become available.

Many stores and businesses will be open but it could several days until things are back normal. Some mail will be available today and the post offices will be open on Monday for normal business.

Here is a partial list of the Businesses which contacted us and are now open as of 1:30PM Sunday. Please call them for their hours:

Stater Brother Market - Community Market - Easys in Sugerloaf - Lakeview Market - Moonridge Market

Restaurants

BLT's, Ingrids Deli, Thelmas, Old Country Inn, Sonora Cantina, Log Cabin Restaurant, Red Baron Pizza, Nachos, Sizzler, La Montana, Subway, and Good Food in the Lake View Trading Center.

Fuel

Circle K Big Bear City - Oscars in the Big Bear Village

Others

Big Bear Video - Alpine Liquor - Alpine Sports Center

Many lodges hotels and motels remained open during the evacuation and provided housing for the firefighters at no charge or almost no charge.

The Bear Valley Unified School District is asking that all teachers and staff report for work on Monday November 3. School classes will begin again on Tuesday November 4. You can call the information line for more information. Rainbow Kids will be open at Big Bear Elementary School and Baldwin Lane form 7am to 6pm and on Tuesday with their regular schedule.

If you are planning to return to Big Bear please drive carefully. The roads will be icy in the morning and anticipate heavy traffic. In addition there will be many fire fighting vehicles on the road. An accident on any of the routes to Big Bear will seriously delay returning residents. If you are driving an RV or pulling a trailer please wait until the day warms and the ice has melted. DRIVE WITH CATION, and WELCOME HOME!!

The Gas company has said the if anyone needs assistance with their gas service please call, service teams are standing by, the number is 800-530-3424.

The post offices in the Big Bear Valley will be open for normal business beginning on Monday November 3, 2003. Some mail may be available in the your Post Office Box.

City of Big Bear Department of Water reported that the firefighters are using large amounts of water in their fire fighting efforts. In light of this they are requesting that all residents use only the water that is essential. Also please make sure that you have turned off all your outdoor irrigation such as your sprinklers and winterize them.

Everyone is asked not call local fire departments for updates on the fire. They need to keep the line open for emergency operations. You can call one of the information lines including USFS 909-383-5688 and SB County 909-355-8800. They also have a web site www.calmast.org. And if you want to check on loved ones in evacuation centers call 909-888-1481.

Local elections scheduled for November 4th will continue as scheduled, but residents of the evacuated areas may vote at emergency voting sites. These sites will be open now through Monday 9 AM to 5 PM, but closed on Sunday. They will be open on election day from 7AM to 8PM. Additional sites will be added as needed.

As of Noon on Saturday November 1, 2003 and until further notice the Big Bear Airport is closed for all in bound and departing traffic except emergency operations. If you need any information please call the Airport at 909-585-3219.

SBA is offering low interest loans to Southern California Fire Victims call 800-621-FEMA (800-621-3362) for more information. You could be covered by your homeowners insurance for expenses related to a mandatory evacuation. Check your policy or call your agent to confirm your coverage.

EVACUATION SITES STATUS

According to local the local Sheriffs authorities there has been no looting in the Big Bear Valley. There have been as many as 76 patrol units on the street at any given time which is 72 more than normal. They are looking for, stopping and detaining anyone who looks suspicious

There is now a $110,000.00 reward for the capture of the arsonist who set the fire. Anyone with information is urged to contact Sgt. Bobby Dean with the Sheriff's Department Homicide Detail at (909) 387-3589 or toll-free at 1-866-346-7632.

There are many heroes that have emerged from this incident. By far the largest group which had possible had one of the biggest impacts was the residents and visitors who had evacuation plans and exercised them. Was it divine intervention that saved Big Bear? The firefighters fought hard to keep highway 38 open. The story here could have been different if the fire had jumped the fire lines in the Santa Ana Canyon and forced 38 to close. But it stayed open and 15,000 to 20,000 people evacuated calmly and without incident.

On Wednesday 50-MPH winds raced through the fire lines and into Big Bear. It looked like mother nature was determined to push the fire in to the valley. Then it all changed by Thursday morning. The high winds brought with them cold temperatures and high humidity. This fire could have changed life as we know it for Big Bear, but then, the fire just stopped. Divine intervention? I believe it was so.

This is the latest information we have on the Old Fire. Keep it tuned to KBHR, 93.3 for the next update. Second homeowners and Residents can now get fire updates on our web site KBHR933.com.

 

CRESTLINE EVACUATION UPDATE: as of 11/2/03 5:42 PM

Crestline / Lake Gregory Evacuation Update

The mandatory evacuation for western portions of Crestline, Lake Gregory, Valley of Enchantment, and Cedarpines Park have been reduced to a voluntary evacuation. A mandatory evacuation remains in effect for east of State Route 189 and areas south of North Road. Some areas of Arrowhead Highlands and Crestline east of State Rote 138 may still be under a mandatory evacuation.

There is very little electricity available in Crestline. Phone service is out in many areas.

Residents seeking to return must obtain a pass to do so. Passes can be obtained at:

You must have proof of residency, such as a driver license, passport, utility bill, or tax bill. Highway 18 remains closed to Crestline. All returning residents must travel Interstate 15 to State Route 138 past Silverwood Lake in order to access the Crestline area.

There is no gasoline available on the mountain and your gas service may have been turned off by Gas Company or Fire Department Officials. Do not turn your gas back on. Wait for the Gas Company to return to your area. Temperatures in Crestline are expected to be in the 30s tonight.

 

40 posted on 11/02/2003 6:30:34 PM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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