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In a liberal rag (LA Slimes), they reference that he did kill 9 Iraqi soldier under heavy fire. Just don't want to give them the hits.

Not sure about the rest of you, but for Jessica to profit leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

1 posted on 11/02/2003 5:49:36 AM PST by Mean Daddy
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To: Mean Daddy
I just read the Times article and came back here to post it...you beat me to it.
Patrick Miller and that crew are all heroes. An incredible story.
I like to think I would do the same under those circumstances.
2 posted on 11/02/2003 5:54:28 AM PST by baltodog (I'm Polish. I'm left-handed. I'm a drummer. I demand reparations.)
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To: Mean Daddy
bttt
7 posted on 11/02/2003 6:37:00 AM PST by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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To: Mean Daddy
Not sure about the rest of you, but for Jessica to profit leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Not me. I look back on Grady's profiteering from his own incompetence and find nothing wrong with the Lynch story, either in her actions leading up to the ambush, during the capture or since her arrival back at home.

She has conducted herself admirably the whole time, she was not responsible for the media mythology created around her, she has not been a publicity hound or forgotten those who served with her and rescued her.

If there is interest in her story, let her tell it. I expect she will it much more honestly than the pilot profiteer did. If it helps her retirement fund, so be it. As an aspiring school teacher in West Virginia, I imagine she'll need it. She sure wasn't going to profit much from her service to the country as a PFC.

10 posted on 11/02/2003 8:08:21 AM PST by optimistically_conservative (assonance and consonance have nothing on alliteration)
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To: Mean Daddy
I thought I was the only one who thought that.
11 posted on 11/02/2003 9:39:15 AM PST by MissEdie
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To: Mean Daddy
In what way is Jessica Lynch related to Patrick Miller's story at all? We have room for many stories, we do not need to diminish one to tell the other.
14 posted on 11/02/2003 9:52:57 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Heed no nightly noises!)
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To: Mean Daddy
We would have heard more about Pfc. Miller if he was a woman, and a LOT more if he was a transsexual.
15 posted on 11/02/2003 10:16:32 AM PST by Imal (After Iraq, let's liberate California.)
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To: Mean Daddy; All
I had the privelage of meeting Pfc. Miller when he came to Manhattan, KS where K-State honored him at the halftime of their spring game. I work in the Ft. Riley Public Affairs office as an army broadcast journalist. He is very down to earth and really truly is low key about the whole thing. He really does look at it as that he was just "doing his job".
18 posted on 11/02/2003 11:01:24 AM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: Mean Daddy
Bravo! And thank you Patrick Miller! Jessica is just one of hundreds of such stories - only she became a victim of the media, and had enormous pressure from people wanting to make money on her story. She served her country well and we should all be thankful for her service for us.
20 posted on 11/02/2003 11:26:41 AM PST by yoe (Term Limits - and 2 terms are the limit for all elected to a Federal office!!)
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To: Mean Daddy
Why should Pfc. Miller profit? Why should he even get a medal? I mean he's a ... he, for cryin' out loud! He's not a woman, and he's not pretty.

In the affirmative action military, medals for "males" must be suspended, until women soldiers get as many as all males have in the history of warfare. Only then, may we speak about a level playing field.

21 posted on 11/02/2003 11:27:16 AM PST by mrustow (no tag)
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To: Mean Daddy
A few brief excerpts from another story.

...Pfc. Patrick Miller, 23,... a lanky, bespectacled welder whose marksmanship skills had been mediocre before the battle — his bravery, like that of the others, untested — set out alone to wreak havoc and terror on a contingent of Iraqis who were trying to lob mortars on several of the soldiers from a mere 50 yards away....

...After he and four others were taken prisoner together, Miller convinced the Iraqis that the numbers on a scrap of paper they found in his helmet — the unit's secret radio frequencies — were just prices for power-steering pumps; the Iraqis tossed the scrap into a fire. And for three weeks he set about irking their captors with tone-deaf renditions of country singer Toby Keith's anti-terrorist anthem "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue."...

...With a seemingly inherent aversion to speculation or bragging, the small-town Kansan has no doubt about what he did or did not do, how many he killed or wounded: "Seven in the mortar pit, one in the tree line, and I ran over one guy."...

...If it wasn't for his actions during the ambush, which earned Miller one of the military's highest awards, the Silver Star, several soldiers feel certain they would not have survived....

..."We were all down, most of us wounded, and I looked up and saw Miller running by, bullets and rockets everywhere," recalled former POW Spc. Shoshana Johnson, 30. "I said, 'Miller, get down!' He said, 'I gotta go, I gotta return fire' … We were a big target, and if they'd have got off a mortar round we'd have all been dead. I tell you, Miller, ol' country boy, saved us."...

...Few from the 507th seem to resent the diminutive Lynch's fame and fortune. Separated from the other POWs and badly injured when her Humvee crashed, "Jessica is a hero in every way. Tiny little thing, she survived all that by herself. It's amazing," Johnson said, summing up the sentiments of many from the unit....

..."You want to know what the greatest injustice is?" Johnson continued. "Miller hasn't even been promoted."...

...After nearly three days and nights on the road, the 18 vehicles and 31 soldiers of the 507th — plus two soldiers from another unit — passed through a dark and quiet Nasiriyah about 5 a.m. The convoy took a now well-known wrong turn. Then another. Nearly two hours passed as the convoy felt about in the dark. Meanwhile, Iraqi irregular and Fedayeen Saddam fighters gathered to launch an ambush, according to Army investigators and members of the 507th....

..."The first time we moved through, no one was manning the fighting positions; no one was out," said Sgt. Curtis Campbell, who lost a fist-sized chunk of his left hamstring to an Iraqi round before being rescued by Marines. "By the time the sun was coming up, the whole town, it seemed, was out — and suddenly the fighting positions were all manned."...

...About 7 a.m., as many as 200 Iraqis began firing on the 33 Americans with AK-47s, heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades. The 507th had a single heavy machine gun, a .50-caliber, which failed immediately....

...The convoy broke into three groups, according to the Army investigative report. The first fought its way through the ambush and sped toward nearby Marine Task Force Tarawa, which organized a rescue mission....

...In the second group, all five vehicles were quickly riddled with bullet holes and torn apart by rockets, and five of the 10 soldiers were wounded. With desert conditions causing weapons to malfunction — a problem that hounded many of the soldiers of the 507th — they were able to return only occasional bursts of fire. They would eventually be rescued by the Marines....

...At the end of the convoy, the third group was also being devastated by the attackers. Within minutes, several soldiers were dead, with more to die shortly. Lynch was injured — fellow soldiers thought she was dead — after the Humvee she was riding in was hit by an explosive and crashed into the back of another vehicle....

...After the ambush, the U.S. military intercepted a radio transmission describing a blond American woman who ferociously battled her attackers despite suffering gunshot and stab wounds. This was presumed to be Lynch, who was then missing, and the information was passed on to the media....

...The soldier described in the intercept may, in fact, have been a slim, blond male sergeant from Salem, Ore., 33-year-old Donald Walters, though no one knows for sure. His body — with several bullet and stab wounds — was later found near the battle site in a shallow grave. The Army has not determined the precise circumstances of his death, but investigators wrote: "There is some information to suggest that a U.S. soldier that could have been Walters fought his way south of Highway 16 toward a canal and was killed in action."...

...Miller was driving a military tow truck when the ambush began, with Sgt. James Riley, 31, in the passenger's seat. The two stopped to pick up Walters and Pvt. Brandon Sloan, whose truck had become stuck in the sand. Under heavy fire, Sloan climbed aboard. Walters disappeared. Miller stomped on the throttle....

...Moments later, the truck, riddled with bullet holes, began to slow, and the three were preparing to jump out when Sloan was killed by a shot to the forehead. Miller and Riley took off running toward the vehicles of Lynch, Johnson and others. Riley dove behind a truck and took command of several soldiers, most of them wounded. Miller kept running....

...The reason, he said, was that he saw an Iraqi dump truck on the other side of the highway. He figured he could get the truck running and spirit them away....

...As he neared, Miller dropped to his belly and crept up a sand berm. Peeking over the top, he saw the mortar pit right beside the dump truck. And he began his lone effort to pin down the Iraqi mortar men....

...As an Iraqi went to drop a round into the mortar tube, Miller fired and the man fell, he said. Miller's M-16, however, jammed, and for the next hour, he would pop up, fire one round, and then drop back behind the berm to manually reload another....

..."They didn't realize where the fire was coming from," Miller said. "They just saw their guys fall every time they'd try to set up the mortar."...

...After nearly an hour of pinning down the men around the mortar, according to investigators, Miller decided it was time check his back. He swept around, he said, and fired on an Iraqi approaching along a tree line. "That was the last guy I shot," he said....

...When he turned back around, Miller said, numerous Iraqi fighters were closing on him. He threw his rifle as far as he could and raised his hands in the air. "I said, 'OK, you win.' I kind of figured they'd shoot me right there, though."...

...About the same time, Riley, commanding the soldiers that the Iraqis had been trying to kill with the mortar, decided it was time to give up. None of their weapons were working and most of the soldiers were wounded. He, too, raised his arms and stepped into the open....

...The Iraqis quickly took the Americans prisoner....

...Miller began irritating his captors immediately. After asking about the scrap of paper, the Iraqis wanted to know about his can of Skoal tobacco....

..."I told 'em my chew was candy. Two or three of them opened it up and started eating. Idiots," he said with a roll of his eyes. "They saw their breakfasts again."...

...Over the next three weeks, the Iraqis moved the five POWs to seven different locations. In each cell he was kept, Miller carved the name of his wife, Jessa, and two children, Tyler, 4, and Makenzie, 15 months. He got sick, prayed a bit, and belted out lyrics from "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue."...

..."This big dog will fight/When you rattle his cage/And you'll be sorry that you messed/With the U.S. of A."...

..."I did that just to make 'em mad," Miller said with a hint of a smile. "They'd tell me to sit down and shut up. I would, for a while."...

...Investigations continue into possible war crimes by the Iraqi captors. In interviews, the POWs and other members of the 507th were careful in describing the actions of the Iraqis. They said enough, however, to suggest that the investigators have plenty to look at....

...When Iraqis captured wounded Spc. Joseph Hudson, 23, another member of the company said, "They beat him up right there."...

...In captivity, Johnson said, "From what I could hear — I couldn't see — Miller got it the worst. He was always mouthing off. And they knew he'd killed a lot of Iraqis."...

...On their 11th day of captivity, the Iraqis took Miller's wedding ring. He went wild with anger....

..."They'd tell him to shut up and he'd say, 'No! I want my wedding ring back! I want my wedding ring back!' " Johnson said. "I finally said, 'Miller, if you get your butt kicked over that wedding ring, your wife's going to kick your butt again.' "...

...Early on an April morning, in a house the POWs would later learn was just outside Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, a door flew open and a voice in English commanded everyone to get down. Marines swarmed the room. "If you're an American," one Marine shouted, "stand up."...

...Johnson is seeking a disability discharge after being shot in both legs. Spc. Edgar Hernandez, 21, who was hit in the face with shrapnel and shot in the arm, is getting married this week. Riley is back at work, now at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland. Hudson, who suffered several wounds in the fighting, is also back at work, at the home of the 507th, Ft. Bliss, Texas....

...Miller was transferred over the summer to this post near Pike's Peak. He moved his family into a small home on the base....

...On the living room wall above his Kelly-green Barcalounger, he hung his Silver Star, POW medal and Purple Heart — which he diminishes, saying he wasn't badly injured. "They say part of it is for emotional injuries. Whatever."...

...At the center of the collection of awards is a poster memorializing the 507th. The eye is drawn to the unit's red flag and a group picture of the soldiers in their desert fatigues. It takes a moment to notice the ethereal, delicate images of the dead, hovering above the company....

...Miller spends his off time these days playing with his kids, sitting in his big green chair. He hates the Army's early hours, but doesn't drink coffee to help him awake, preferring caffeine-free soda. He thinks about heading an Army motor pool. He fiddles occasionally with the wedding band the Army replaced for him....

...Miller doesn't talk much about what happened, what it felt like to raise his hands in surrender and expect to be shot, about how he was treated by his captors, about killing people and watching his friends be killed. His wife has a hard time hearing the stories, and he has a hard time telling them anyway....

..."It doesn't bother me if I don't think about it," Miller said. "So I don't think about it much."...
33 posted on 11/02/2003 12:43:01 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: Mean Daddy
DC Military.com

Former POW learns value of military training

by Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service

Just 10 months after he went off to basic training at Fort Sill, Okla., in May 2002, Pfc. Patrick Miller got a first-hand lesson in the true value of military training.

Like many of his fellow soldiers, Miller acknowledges he never thought he'd have much use for the classes he received about being captured by the enemy.

As a combat support soldier assigned to the 507th Maintenance Company at Fort Bliss, Texas, he assumed that if ever had any experience with prisoners of war, it would be as the captor -- not as the captured.

That all changed after Miller's unit deployed to Southwest Asia in February. He was part of a convoy navigating through southern Iraq in late March that took a wrong turn and got ambushed by Iraqi troops.

During the firefight that followed, Miller said he had too much adrenaline pumping through his bloodstream to be afraid. "I wasn't worried about anything but getting everyone out to safety," he said.

Nine U.S. soldiers died in the skirmish, and Miller and four of his fellow soldiers were captured, taken by a truckload of Iraqis to an outpost in Nasiriyah. They were held there for 21 days before their rescue by the Marines.

Miller, now assigned to the 2nd Transportation Company, 68th Corps Support Battalion, 43rd Area Support Group, said the events of his capture and POW experience "really didn't sink in" for several days.

He said he can't talk about his treatment by the Iraqis because the case remains under investigation, but acknowledges it "wasn't pleasant." He and his fellow POWs lived on small rations of boiled chicken and rice -- "not a lot," he said, "but enough to survive."

He recalls that it felt "degrading" when the lights of an Iraqi television camera glared into his face, but said he felt a tinge of relief as well. "They were putting us on TV, so I knew they wouldn't do anything to us," he said.

His biggest source of comfort, he said, was being able to hear coalition forces moving closer and "just hoping that they'll find you and that they won't (mistakenly) drop a bomb on you."

Three weeks after his capture, Miller and six other American POWs got their wish. The Marine Corps' 3rd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion was moving north for an attack on Tikrit when Iraqis tipped them off about the POWs.

Following a heroic rescue mission, the Marines flew the newly freed POWs to an airfield in southern Iraq, then transferred them to a C-130 transport plane that flew them to Kuwait.

Miller said he received medical care at a U.S. military hospital in Kuwait before being flown to Landstuhl Army Medical Center in Germany. Finally, on April 19, he and six other former POWs returned to Fort Bliss for a rousing welcoming ceremony at Biggs Army Airfield.

Despite his harrowing experience, Miller said he tries not to think about it, although he admits that "later down the road, I might."

Not surprisingly, he's become a big advocate of more training in how to handle yourself if you're captured. "Everybody needs it," he said.

His advice to fellow soldiers? "Don't joke around when it comes to training. You never know. Even if you're combat support, you just might have to use it."

35 posted on 11/02/2003 12:52:59 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: TomServo; Chad Fairbanks; CyberCowboy777; Lijahsbubbe
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42 posted on 11/02/2003 2:20:34 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take a chance?)
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To: Mean Daddy
It's such a shame that he had the misfortune of being born with testicles - due to that handicap, the national media has no time for him...
51 posted on 11/02/2003 3:58:31 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (The Truth is to see The Gift)
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To: Mean Daddy
But...but...but, (snif!) he is a male! Heroism by men doesn't count, unless of course, they are gay men...then it should have been the Medal of Honor.
130 posted on 11/06/2003 12:06:21 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Mean Daddy
Patrick Miller is a hero!

I have always felt that all soldiers that go to war to protect the USA and it's citizens are HERO'S

As for Jessica Lynch:

First - Women should not be on combat missions.

Second - I am very upset with the remarks being made by the Jessica Lynch that is making the TV, movie and book rounds. I have lost my respect for her.

Third - She was a wounded soldier, captured by the enemy, that was rescued before she died, returned to the USA and had her injuries taken care of.

Forth - She enlisted into the military with full knowledge of the purpose of the military.

Fifth - I don't understand how she can discuss or write about what happened to her if she has no memories of 90% of it.

Sixth - It was the media that made a circus of her rescue and are continuing to USE her, not the military.

147 posted on 11/07/2003 9:52:49 AM PST by Dustbunny
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To: Mean Daddy
Miller will be profiled tonight (11-9-03) on CBS's Sixty Minutes...
148 posted on 11/09/2003 9:39:14 AM PST by VOA
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To: Mean Daddy
Final reminder-bump:
Miller will be profiled tonight (11-9-03) on CBS's Sixty Minutes...
149 posted on 11/09/2003 10:39:53 AM PST by VOA
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