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You've Heard of Jessica Lynch, Have You Heard of Patrick Miller?
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Posted on 11/02/2003 5:49:35 AM PST by Mean Daddy

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To: milemark
"The target for your tirade should be those "idiots" rather than Lynch, who was in the hospital and out of touch while her story was distorted."

Actually, FRiend, no one had heard of her until after she was picked up from the Iraqi hospital. It was the day after that we started hearing the distorted stories of her heroic last stand, the firing until she ran out of ammo, sustaining of numerous bullet and stab wounds, etc.

I agree, DACOWITS and the criminal, liberal mainstream media are the real villans here. But Lynch has said nothing to deny the lies being spread about her, and instead is apparently reveling in all the fame and fortune coming her way, thanks to her being used to advance a feminazi agenda. Honesty and decency would dictate she at least deny the lies, unless, of course, the Army is telling her to keep her mouth shut, as it is the heroes of that night.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

81 posted on 11/03/2003 6:35:12 AM PST by wku man
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To: wku man
Honesty and decency would dictate she at least deny the lies, unless, of course, the Army is telling her to keep her mouth shut, as it is the heroes of that night.

No need to deny anything. We all know that the Washington Post was mistaken. You're just nitpicking.

82 posted on 11/03/2003 6:39:44 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan; HairOfTheDog; milemark
"Chill out. Everyone with half a brain is fully aware that the Washington Post was mistaken. We've known for months."

Evidently HOTD and milemark didn't know, so I corrected their mistaken assertions. #3Fan, you and I have debated on this topic before, and we know where one another are coming from. Therefore, let's not waste each other's time re-hasing our previous debate, okay? Thank you, and have a great day.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

83 posted on 11/03/2003 6:42:17 AM PST by wku man
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To: #3Fan
A lot of folks around here should try using some mouth wash. It might help with the taste of sour grapes them seem to have.

I think I'll just have to wait and see what PFC Lynch says about herself in her how words.

84 posted on 11/03/2003 6:42:23 AM PST by CWOJackson (.)
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To: #3Fan
Refer to my post 83. Please go play in someone else's yard. Thank you and have a great day.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

85 posted on 11/03/2003 6:45:02 AM PST by wku man
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To: wku man
Evidently HOTD and milemark didn't know, so I corrected their mistaken assertions.

They're fully aware that it wasn't Lynch that killed nine Iraqis.

#3Fan, you and I have debated on this topic before, and we know where one another are coming from. Therefore, let's not waste each other's time re-hasing our previous debate, okay?

Ignore my posts if you wish, I'm just going after your points.

86 posted on 11/03/2003 6:51:31 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: CWOJackson
A lot of folks around here should try using some mouth wash. It might help with the taste of sour grapes them seem to have. I think I'll just have to wait and see what PFC Lynch says about herself in her how words.

Yeah, that sounds good to me. In any case, I don't expect any of these soldiers to be the second coming. It seems that some expect them to be angels since they've been put in the spotlight. I see them just as people who went when called and I appreciate their sacrifices.

87 posted on 11/03/2003 6:55:43 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: wku man
Refer to my post 83. Please go play in someone else's yard.

Ignore me if you don't want to discuss this with me. I'm simply going after your points.

88 posted on 11/03/2003 6:56:49 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: wku man
Since then, she's been paraded and credited with the heroics of others

Others have written stories that were incorrect, and others have used her for their own agendas. Others have paraded her in promotion of their cause... On both sides. She has acted only honorably.

The left doesn't want a war hero. These feminazis you so fervently fight against didn't materialize... and the right that should have supported her, Freepers in particular, have been trashing her anyway, lest any woman in the military become respected. I have seen her badly used by the 'right' far more despicably than the Left.

89 posted on 11/03/2003 7:17:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Heed no nightly noises!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
This sure solved a problem for me. Every year my dear wife asks if there is anything in particular I'd like for Christmas.

I usually have a hard time with that. This year she can make it's PFC Lynch's book. Hell, she's probably the first U.S. soldier, who just did their duty, to face more hostility here at home then in the combat zone.

90 posted on 11/03/2003 7:30:40 AM PST by CWOJackson (.)
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To: CWOJackson
You are right about that. I will buy it too.
91 posted on 11/03/2003 7:31:10 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Heed no nightly noises!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
"Others have written stories that were incorrect, and others have used her for their own agendas."

Examples, please. I am unaware of anyone other than the liberal news and entertainment media, and the feminazis on DACOWITS who have used her to advance an agenda.

"These feminazis you so fervently fight against didn't materialize..."

Uh...Katie Commie, for one?

"...and the right that should have supported her, Freepers in particular, have been trashing her anyway, lest any woman in the military become respected."

Okay, I'll have to break this one down...
1) I don't know of anyone who's said she didn't do her duty. What many FReepers are upset about is how she's getting the SGT York treatment, when she did nothing other than get wounded and captured, then picked up at an unguarded hospital. Others, like Miller, went above and beyond the call of duty, and have not gotten nearly the recognition that Lynch has. Is that her fault? No...but by just smiling and quietly going along with the cult of personality that was built around her on false pretenses, she's giving her tacit approval to the lie.
2) Who doesn't want women in the Army to be respected? Just because I and any other American with a brain doesn't want women in combat arms MOSs, doesn't mean that we think women servicemembers shouldn't be respected. Really now...that's a helluva stretch.

"I have seen her badly used by the 'right' far more despicably than the Left."

By "the right", are you referring to talk radio, Fox News, WND, Newsmax, and other such center-right media, or just what you've read on FReep? I've not seen anything in the so-called "conservative" media that has trashed Lynch one bit. There have been calls for the truth to come out, calls for her to denounce the feminazi propoganda swirling around her story, etc. But I've not heard anywhere on "the right" where she's being called a coward, a shirker, or anything else that could reasonably be construed as "trashing" her.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

92 posted on 11/03/2003 8:14:28 AM PST by wku man
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To: wku man
Examples, please. I am unaware of anyone other than the liberal news and entertainment media, and the feminazis on DACOWITS who have used her to advance an agenda.

Well, the news media ran stories about her. Yes, Fox as well as the liberal media. They were some of the most postive stories about the war effort we had in a couple of weeks of "bad news" and "quagmire". If the caveman contingent on FR wasn't so worried about girl-soldier getting some exaggerated good press, they might have noticed that she and her company, and the other POWs rescued were the first good news the media focused on regarding the war effort, and one that captured the attention of the country because there was a nice clean smiling face they could put up on the banner graphic. I for one was glad they did. The country needed good news.

And the media seemed to want to report it. But it stopped then, with the same short attention span of any other media hype, it died, for the most part. She was not picked up by the left for them to run with, because they are not interested in stories that might make the war effort look good. Nor do I think she would get on board their cause. Feminazis are not exactly behind what she was doing and they don't want her has a hero.

Jessica Lynch was on our side. America's side, in a war abroad. I never forgot that.

So the left didn't use her much, except her pretty smiling face, and they used nice glowing terms to talk about her. So what? Well, at the idea that a woman soldier was getting too much good press, a lot of FReepers behaved horribly. From blaming her for not giving enough information and intimate details of her treatment (eager listening for what it was like and what was done to her) Details that never would have been asked of a male POW. It embarrasses me still.

During that time my group of friends was sending packages to two different units abroad, one in Afghanistan and one in Iraq, and encouraging them to look us up at FR if they got a chance. I cringed thinking they might and find those threads.

There are heros as yet unsung in this war, there always are. I hope they get found, and their stories get heard. The face, the name, that captures the media's attention for a minute is not blessed by it so much as it is inflicted upon them, with the consequence of great scrutiny they never should have been subjected to. To those who think there are better heros to put up on the TV, great. Push for them. But to push for them at the destruction of Jessica Lynch is despicable.

93 posted on 11/03/2003 10:07:36 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Heed no nightly noises!)
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To: wku man
Actually, FRiend, no one had heard of her until after she was picked up from the Iraqi hospital. It was the day after that we started hearing the distorted stories of her heroic last stand, the firing until she ran out of ammo, sustaining of numerous bullet and stab wounds, etc.

That is true, but just to clarify, I was refering to the American hospitals in Germany and the U.S. where she was sheilded from the press, other patients and everyone else except her family while she recovered. The Pentagon had ample opportunity to correct the media's distortions while she was incommunicado, but chose to let it go for some reason. I know they were busy running a war and then occupation, but they did and still do have a daily press breifing.

As for Lynch having said nothing to deny the lies, by the time she was released from the hospital, the Army's report had been out for a month. The facts had been presented already. What could she have added, if in fact she was permitted to talk about it?

94 posted on 11/03/2003 12:57:59 PM PST by milemark (Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is conspiracy.)
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To: wku man
Well, I did know about the Wash. Post's bunk story. I just don't hold Lynch responsible for it.
95 posted on 11/03/2003 1:01:27 PM PST by milemark (Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is conspiracy.)
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To: mrustow

So in other words, no you can't back up with facts that the military has halted giving medals to men until women get the same number.

Ummmmm.........Fan,

What mrustow wrote was a joke.

However, if you want a case of affirmative action, do a litle bit of homework about how this woman came to be "The Only Woman Medal of Honor Holder".


96 posted on 11/03/2003 1:37:30 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
What mrustow wrote was a joke.

The Al Franken defense. Exaggerate however much one likes and then later claim it was a joke.

97 posted on 11/03/2003 2:03:47 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: wku man
I've not seen anything in the so-called "conservative" media that has trashed Lynch one bit.

Too bad conservatives here don't hold up to the standards of the fair and balanced media to a greater extent.

98 posted on 11/03/2003 2:13:27 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, at the idea that a woman soldier was getting too much good press, a lot of FReepers behaved horribly. From blaming her for not giving enough information and intimate details of her treatment (eager listening for what it was like and what was done to her) Details that never would have been asked of a male POW. It embarrasses me still.

Yeah, that's the worst part.

99 posted on 11/03/2003 2:22:50 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan; mrustow
What mrustow wrote was a joke.

The Al Franken defense. Exaggerate however much one likes and then later claim it was a joke.

Did you really believe for one second that he was serious that all medals to all males would be discontinued until females caught up with the total number of medals given to men in all prior wars?

100 posted on 11/03/2003 2:26:35 PM PST by Polybius
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