You've Heard of Jessica Lynch, Have You Heard of Patrick Miller?

When a fireman carries a woman out of a burning building, do you call the fireman the hero or the woman?

That's a good point...but wouldn't it depend on what the woman was doing in the burning building in the first place? (I happen to agree that Lynch doesn't fit the definition of "hero", except in the broad sense that all people who serve in defense of our country are heroes...I'm just thinking about the extenuating circumstances of your example.)

I think his is the most interesting story regarding the 507th I've heard to date. The way the media has handled all this is disgusting, imo.

You're wasting your time on her.

Him.

She equivocates more than a Philadelphia lawyer, and when you catch her on it, it's "I don't know the facts on that one," or "Ask the Army."

I don't worry myself about certain things. On others I opine on.

The feminists are not all at DU. There are some at FR, and in the GOP. Their rallying cry, apparently, is "Equal pay for women!" (regardless of seniority, job description, or number of weekly work hours), "Women must be given all the same jobs as men!" (regardless of their physical ability to do them), "Men must pay for all dates!" oh, and, lest I forget, "Cut taxes!"

You're not talking about me. I've never claimed that woman can do as well in infantry for one.

I see you are still either a liar or an illiterate. You know what you call an honest feminist? A former feminist.

So is our Army an "affirmitive action" army? Simple question.

..."You want to know what the greatest injustice is?" Johnson continued. "Miller hasn't even been promoted."...

Yeah-what's up with that?

She was where she shouldn't have been, and Shoshanna Johnson and Lori Ann Piestewa as well, and you are right that that is the rotten leftovers of the previous misadministration. However, President Bush has not thrown out those spoiled leftovers.

They were dead and thus incapable of action. The men that were not out of it, fought. Miss Lynch did not fight. Her weapon "jammed".

Actually, she was unconscious busted up. so she was also "incapable of action."

If you feel as strongly as you say about the women in combat issue, Elaine Donnelly of the Center for Military Readiness has organized a petition and letter-writing and e-mail campaign to try to get President Bush roll back the Clinton policies. It was linked on WorldNetDaily.com a while back and should still be there.

And if some idiot or group of idiots decide to turn the woman into a hero for doing nothing, someone who tries to set the record straight isn't a "basher."

The target for your tirade should be those "idiots" rather than Lynch, who was in the hospital and out of touch while her story was distorted.

Note that the real heroes are showing modesty, while the damsel is out selling herself.

Lynch's book is the first to be written because she was the first to be discharged. Other POWs will also be writing books as they leave the Army. CWOS Ronald Young Jr and David Williams, the Apache pilot and gunner who were also POWs have announced that they will be releasing a book after they leave the Army next summer. A book is also in the works for Shoshanna Johnson when she is discharged. Pfc. Miller looks like he intends to stay in the Army long term, so maybe there will be no book deal for him.

This is a thread about Miller, and you guys go into immediate Lynch bashing nearly drowning out any discussion about Miller. And then you complain that Miller isn't getting enough attention! lol

Now that sums this thread up perfectly. It started with the title. Why can't some people pay tribute to Miller without tearing down Lynch? Why can't they even think about Miller without going into anti-Lynch hysteria?

Then why didn't they?

They did. This article is about one.

You can't blame Lynch for this if she did no worse than the men that were with her in the Humvee.

Then why the media blitz for someone who didn't do anything except get hurt?

She shouldn't be. She, like the men with her in the Humvee, was incapacitated by the wreck. If you want to see how women do in combat, check Shoshana. Checking Lynch proves nothing.

She shouldn't be the focus of the media but she is. What did Shoshana do? What did Shoshana do that couldn't be done better by several million men who weren't in the military? The point here is that there are a vast number of men suited to this work, what is the need to use women?

Tell someone else? Do you support sending women into combat?

If you want to look at fighting performance, look at Shoshana. Her case is the only one that would show evidence one way or the other.

Her case would show evidence? It didn't?

Nah. She was rescued because she was a POW.

Perhaps, perhaps not. You mentioned that successful hostage rescues are rare. The why this rescue for one rescuee?

Lynch's case isn't relevant since she did no worse than the men in the Humvee.

She did no worse at being unconscious than the other unconscious men? But would she equal a male soldier? Common sense indicate she would not.

I remember the same hype surrounding Zaun and the others in Gulf War 1. I remember the same hype with the hostages in Iran. I remember the same hype with Terry Anderson. You're imagining things.

I'm imagining the media hype around Miss Lynch?

Thanks.

They say we shouldn't speak of Lynch so much and yet they post a Lynch-bashing thread every few days. lol Seems to me they doing all they can to speak of her almost exclusively. If not for the bashers, Lynch would've faded here by now.

PFC Lynch is getting married. I can't wait to see their reaction to this.

This is the story I'm familiar with. The dead soldier supposedly was the one who did the things that Lynch was credited with. Saw the dead soldier's mother interviewed and she didn't criticize Lynch at all, just wanted the recognition for her son and he is gone.

... for Jessica to profit leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

And in mine!

<Some people just can't handle the truth.

Thank God I can. Good response!

I think you misunderstood what RJS was talking about when he said Miller refused to be paraded. He was talking about the press attention Lynch got after she was picked up from the Iraqi hospital, and the parading she's still getting. Remember, when she was unconscious and lying in that hospital, no one had even heard her name. By the time the nation first heard her name, she was already safe in allied hands. Since then, she's been paraded and credited with the heroics of others, when in fact what she did was get a truck shot out from under her, then survive a Humvee crash, in which she suffered her injuries.

Yes, she served well and honorably, but thanks to the feminazi agenda of the lamestream media and DACOWITS, she's been made into Xena, Warrior Princess, when Miller, Riley and Sloan were the ones who did the fighting. Of course, just because a story is a lie doesn't mean Hollyweird and the CommieLibs in our society won't run with it, does it?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

They did. This article is about one.

No, Miller wasn't riding in the Humvee.

Then why the media blitz for someone who didn't do anything except get hurt?

Because she was a lone rescuee. Them's the breaks. Other lone rescuees are Terry Anderson and O'Grady. Those names are remembered also.

She shouldn't be the focus of the media but she is.

She was rescued in a dramatic rescue operation. You can't stop people from being interested in who she is and people are interested in who she is, including you bashers since you focus on her almost exclusively.

What did Shoshana do? What did Shoshana do that couldn't be done better by several million men who weren't in the military? The point here is that there are a vast number of men suited to this work, what is the need to use women?

Dunno, I'm not going to pick apart Shoshana's actions or even look at them, I just appreciate her service. I'm going to leave the picking-apart to the Army and let them decide. Take this subject up with women freepers here who have served, it's not something I'm going to opine about. There are military female freepers here who have done jobs similar to Lynch's for 15 or so years, I'm certainly not going to tell them that they were out of their element or that they were a drag on our military. I don't believe they were, obviously. If you want to tell them that they were though, it's a free country.

Tell someone else? Do you support sending women into combat?

Not in infantry. That's my only opinion on that subject. If the Army decides that working maintenance is too physically demanding for women, then I can live with that. If they decide it's not and that the odds of another 507th mishap happening again are low enough that they're better served by filling the maintenance ranks with women, then that's fine with me too. I believe in an all-volunteer force, I believe it's safer.

Her case would show evidence? It didn't?

Why not? Didn't Shoshana fight, or wasn't she in a position to fight? If she was in a position to fight and/or fought, then those of you that are so against females working maintenance should look at her case.

Perhaps, perhaps not. You mentioned that successful hostage rescues are rare. The why this rescue for one rescuee?

They got a tip.

She did no worse at being unconscious than the other unconscious men?

Yep.

But would she equal a male soldier? Common sense indicate she would not.

Probably not on a small sample size in the current layout. But if you get rid of women in the military, then able-bodied men who could be in the infantry would have to be removed from the infantry to do the jobs formerly done by women. The law of diminishing returns would kick in. We would have to accept lesser-qualified men comapared to men men already in since there would have to be much more men. They wouldn't be as dedicated as the all-volunteer force we have, or there may have to be a draft and I think every higher-up I've heard in the military believes an all-volunteer force is better than a drafted force, and if it's better, then more lives are saved in the long run. So because of one incident, you would want to get rid of a hundred thousand soldiers and then more money would have to be spent in recruitment and any more money spent on recruitment means less money for the men on the front lines. The more volunteers we have, the better, I think. But again, this is a subject you need to talk to others about because I don't wish to discuss it and it's not something I'm going to argue about for 500 posts. My only posts on the military here have been on threads that attack our soldiers. I've defended our soldiers here when attacked for taking Iraqi wives, for seeing prostitutes in Australia, and this kind of bashing and nitpicking against Lynch. I let the veterans worry about the other stuff.

I'm imagining the media hype around Miss Lynch?

You're imagining that her case is unique. It's not, we've always celebrated individual lives being saved when circumstance dictates that an individual's name be known.

PFC Lynch is getting married. I can't wait to see their reaction to this.

I can hear some of them now..."If she's well enough to get married, she can report for duty in Baghdad!" lol

And in mine!

They're all going to write books when they get discharged. Does that leave a bad taste in your mouth also? You don't believe that people that served should write books?

I think you misunderstood what RJS was talking about when he said Miller refused to be paraded. He was talking about the press attention Lynch got after she was picked up from the Iraqi hospital, and the parading she's still getting. Remember, when she was unconscious and lying in that hospital, no one had even heard her name. By the time the nation first heard her name, she was already safe in allied hands. Since then, she's been paraded and credited with the heroics of others, when in fact what she did was get a truck shot out from under her, then survive a Humvee crash, in which she suffered her injuries. Yes, she served well and honorably, but thanks to the feminazi agenda of the lamestream media and DACOWITS, she's been made into Xena, Warrior Princess, when Miller, Riley and Sloan were the ones who did the fighting. Of course, just because a story is a lie doesn't mean Hollyweird and the CommieLibs in our society won't run with it, does it?

Chill out. Everyone with half a brain is fully aware that the Washington Post was mistaken. We've known for months.