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Poppy pins banned in case people sue
Daily Telegraph ^ | November 2, 2003 | Elizabeth Day

Posted on 11/02/2003 2:31:07 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

The Royal British Legion has stopped supplying pins with its poppies because it fears compensation claims from "injured" members of the public.

A number of legion branches across the country have instructed members not to use pins to attach the paper poppies for health and safety reasons, claiming that they could cause pain if people

accidentally stab themselves with them or damage workplace machinery if they fall off. The legion, the largest charity for ex-servicemen, sells about 30 million poppies each year to mark Remembrance Day. Traditionally, buyers get a steel pin to attach the poppy to their lapel.

Branches in Leicestershire, Hampshire, Somerset and Scotland are now, however, supplying stickers or plastic alternatives, with some calling for the banning of metal pins altogether. Mark Hudson, the chairman of the Market Harborough RBL branch in Leicestershire, said that he had been told by his county supervisors that the distribution of pins could raise litigation issues.

Mr Hudson said: "We were told that we are not supposed to give children the pins for health and safety reasons, and that we should give them a sticker badge instead.

"It is something we are increasingly aware of for adults as well. Now we tend to slot the poppy into buttonholes without using a pin. If people do insist on a pin, I will make sure the sharp end is stuck firmly into the material to minimise any risk of injury. I would favour the introduction of a safety pin in the future."

Malcolm Gainard, the chairman of the Keynsham and Saltford RBL branch in Somerset, said: "I think we should use something else. I'm worried about the safety aspect. People can easily stab themselves with a pin and there is always the worry of litigation. We do supply poppies without pins. For instance, the Cadbury Schweppes factory in Keynsham will not allow any metal into the premises for fear that the pins could fall into the machinery."

Branches as far afield as Scotland have also introduced a "no-pin" alternative. Adam Godsman, the secretary of the Banchory branch, near Aberdeen, said: "Our county headquarters suggested that we supply poppies without pins, especially for children because of the health and safety issues. We are supplying stickers or plastic-stemmed poppies that are put through buttonholes without a pin and it is recommended that we do that."

Other legion members condemned the initiative and vowed to continue to pin poppies on coats and jackets in the traditional manner. Peter Westwell, the county secretary of the Shropshire Branch called the no-pin rule "poppycock". He said: "It is compensation culture gone mad. The most dangerous thing about a pin is if a gentleman pins it on a lady without her say-so."

A spokesman for the RBL headquarters in London insisted that the decision not to use metal pins was not official policy and that it was left to the discretion of individual branches.

"There is no directive, but it is a sad reflection of our society that people do seem to be raising health and safety issues more every year," the spokesman said. "If staff are concerned, they are welcome to remove the pins from poppy boxes."

The annual poppy campaign has been running since November 1921 and is probably Britain's most well-known charity initiative. The legion encourages members of the public to donate £1 and wear a poppy in the run-up to Remembrance Day on November 11 to commemorate those who were killed on active service.

The campaign raised over £21 million for ex-servicemen and their dependents in 2002 by selling poppies through the legion's 2,873 local branches.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: lawsuits; lawyers; remembranceday; uk

1 posted on 11/02/2003 2:31:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Here's a tradition, something that hasn't been a problem in the many years it's been done, and it's being changed for fear of lawsuits.

Glad to see that other countries are learning and adopting the legal antics we've so grown to love. /scarasm.
2 posted on 11/02/2003 2:36:08 AM PST by not_apathetic_anymore
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3 posted on 11/02/2003 2:41:47 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
LOL! You know lots of lawyers, do you?

Things keep getting sillier and sillier.

4 posted on 11/02/2003 3:21:18 AM PST by patj
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To: patj
We're seeing an overpopulation. The school is hungry and eyeing deep pockets.
5 posted on 11/02/2003 3:24:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: patj
In Detroit, the police have stopped screening Holloween candy for razor blades, etc.

Why?

Fear of lawsuits in case they missed a lethal item and it harmed a child.

Thank you lawyers................now hundreds of children can be maimed!

6 posted on 11/02/2003 3:35:51 AM PST by Tripleplay
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To: Tripleplay
In Detroit, the police have stopped screening Holloween candy for razor blades, etc. Why? Fear of lawsuits in case they missed a lethal item and it harmed a child. Thank you lawyers................now hundreds of children can be maimed!

WOW !!! The cops are smarter than the liars... um... lawyers.

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7 posted on 11/02/2003 4:22:59 AM PST by GeekDejure (<H3> Searching For The Meaning Of "Huge" Fonts !!!</H3>)
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To: Tripleplay
That's so stupid, it makes sense. Tort reform is the real need of this country.
8 posted on 11/02/2003 4:24:05 AM PST by patj
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The tape of a very disgruntled individual, who came up short in an estate settlement suit, popping off several rounds at a lawyer who desperately sought cover behind a tree was .... in a word, priceless. ;)
9 posted on 11/02/2003 4:32:31 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: not_apathetic_anymore
...something that hasn't been a problem in the many years it's been done, and it's being changed for fear of lawsuits.

Ah, but that will all change with the EU. Soon the EU citizens of the uk will again be pinning popies on their lapels.

10 posted on 11/02/2003 4:48:28 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: BluH2o
It was difficult, if not impossible, to feel sorry for that dodging lawyer.
11 posted on 11/02/2003 4:52:31 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The bad aim of Mr. Strier as he dementedly took some pot shots is matched only by the sleeze of tree-hugging Shyster Curry. I hope the tree makes it OK.
12 posted on 11/02/2003 6:34:46 AM PST by friendly (Man is so made that whenever anything fires his soul, impossibilities vanish.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
claiming that they could cause pain if people accidentally stab themselves with them or damage workplace machinery if they fall off.

Oh my lord. You could have some serious problems if you accidently snorted a whole can of mushy peas (a favored food of the British) through a straw as well.

13 posted on 11/02/2003 7:08:08 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: JesseHousman
Ah, but that will all change with the EU. Soon the EU citizens of the uk will again be pinning popies on their lapels.

Meaning?

14 posted on 11/02/2003 8:46:40 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The true story of these poppies makes Muttly weep...again.

We should NEVER forget what this custom is all about...and wear them, always, somewhere, even like Muttly, on his car's rearview mirror...not just for those whose blood and pulverized bodies they grew from...but for all who died for our Freedom since...and even today.
15 posted on 11/02/2003 8:59:42 AM PST by PoorMuttly ("You cannot be a victim and a hero." - Hon. Clarence Thomas)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
People can easily stab themselves with a pin and there is always the worry of litigation.

Someone would sue because he stabbed himself with a straight pin? There's no "actual damages" involved, there's only "pain and suffering." Compensation for pain and suffering for a jab from a straight pin would be... what? fifty cents? a dollar? two dollars at the most. How much of a weenie would you have to be to sue for pain and suffering for a poke from a straight pin?

16 posted on 11/02/2003 9:58:43 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ah! I bought one today (and last weekend), but couldn't understand why there were no pins! Now I know. Very odd. On the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, we will sue you.
17 posted on 11/02/2003 1:43:33 PM PST by pau1f0rd
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To: FreedomCalls
"There's no "actual damages" involved, there's only "pain and suffering." Compensation for pain and suffering for a jab from a straight pin would be... what? fifty cents? a dollar? two dollars at the most. How much of a weenie would you have to be to sue for pain and suffering for a poke from a straight pin?"

I beg to differ. There are certainly actual damages. I bought two poppy pins yesterday and accidentally poked myself in the finger while transporting them. As a direct result, I have not been able to type all day. As a direct result of that, I could not get any work done at all--therefore I insist on lost wages!--and couldn't even get news from my favorite website... oh ... wait a minute...

never mind... :) ;)
18 posted on 11/05/2003 5:15:32 PM PST by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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