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Zell riles Democrats: Bush endorsement infuriates party faithful
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 11/02/03 | Tom Baxter

Posted on 11/01/2003 7:40:23 PM PST by Pokey78

Democrats in Washington and Georgia reacted with studied indifference and disappointment to Sen. Zell Miller's rejection of his own party's presidential candidates last week.

Privately, many Democrats are furious over Miller's endorsement of President Bush, but publicly their response has been to give the endorsement and Miller's new book saying the Democratic Party has abandoned the South as little notice as possible.

"That's an old story. I just don't have any comment," said James Carville, whom Miller recommended to Bill Clinton after the Democratic consultant managed his 1990 race for governor.

Democrats in Congress -- especially Miller's Senate colleagues -- avoided comment, as did Lt. Gov. Mark Taylor and Secretary of State Cathy Cox, the state's top elected Democrats.

Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, his young daughter in his arms, was approached as he left the Senate floor. Asked for his thoughts, he simply said "no" and rushed onto an elevator.

But in spite of the public coyness, the endorsement was definitely the buzz in Washington, says Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.). Lewis reported he was at a dinner Thursday night with a number of Democratic House members, many of whom asked each other between bites how Miller could do it.

Miller's sometime adversary, former House Speaker Tom Murphy, was an exception, offering a pointed comment when asked.

"Every honor I've had has been through the Democrats, and I'm not going to knife them in the back," he said.

While Miller is not the first politician to endorse a presidential candidate of another party, his announcement was unusual, coming as it did before his own party had selected a candidate.

Miller's endorsement came four days before the official publication of "A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat," which goes down the list of Democratic contenders and finds them lacking.

Miller's criticisms are a special problem for Southern Democrats because he has played such a key role in defining the modern party across the region, from his early support of Bill Clinton to his widely imitated lottery for education.

Scott chastises party

Rep. David Scott of Atlanta, who has joined the moderate Democratic Blue Dog Coalition in his first term in Congress, acknowledged Miller had raised some eyebrows with his strong criticisms of the party. But Scott, who has cultivated an image as a moderate in both the state Legislature and Congress, said he had received similar reactions from fellow Democrats.

"We are not going to be a majority party if we cannot speak with the majority voice in this country, and the majority voice sings in three chords," the 13th District congressman said. "Not tenor, alto and bass -- They sing liberal, moderate and conservative. And the Democratic Party has to have a melody that's made of those three."

In reality, the region has become "incredibly competitive," with power frequently shifting back and forth between the parties, said John Anzalone, a Democratic pollster based in Montgomery. Alabama, he noted, has swapped the governorship between the parties three times in recent elections.

"Are there kernels of wisdom in there? I suppose, absolutely," Anzalone, who has worked in several Southern states, said of Miller's charges. "Is it true that Democrats can't win in the South? No. I just don't think that's true at all."

Rep. Johnny Isakson, a Cobb County Republican, said Democrats should look at their national leadership before criticizing Miller.

"He is a fine example of a party leaving its elected officials, not of an elected official leaving his party," Isakson said.

Rep. Jim Marshall, a Democrat who supports Bush's position on Iraq, is recuperating from cancer surgery and could not be reached directly. But he sent an e-mail statement on the current state of his party.

"The Democratic Party has long represented a broad spectrum of working families, and it continues fighting to get them a better deal," Marshall said. "Where we could do a better job nationally is in letting people know that we also fight for their values, like Georgia Democrats do."

Georgia House Speaker Terry Coleman said he agreed national Democrats had in some respects "gone too far."

"It just seems like the left wing of the Democratic Party seems to garner all the attention, and they've not left a lot of room for national moderates and national conservatives," Coleman said.

But Coleman, who in his first term as speaker was often at odds with Republican Gov. Sonny Perdue, said he thought the party still was in the right place at the state level.

"Georgia Democrats have been the tax cutters and the people who have held the line on the budget and all of Georgia government. We have a sensible policy on abortion. Georgia law is seen as a model. We have always been strong supporters of individual rights as it pertains to guns, religion, you name it. All those things are the middle-of-the-road way we feel."

"I'm an unreconstructed, unrepentant, proud Southern Democrat. And my views have not changed. They've evolved like everyone else's," said former Rep. Buddy Darden, a member of the state Democratic Executive Committee. "What this constitutes is a change in some of Miller's thinking rather than a change in the party itself."

Ticking off his party's core beliefs, Darden mentioned one program, the HOPE scholarship, initiated by Miller.

"As far as I'm concerned, the Democratic Party still represents the values and views of a majority of Southerners and Georgians. We believe in individual freedoms. We believe in government being proactive on behalf of the people who need help. We believe in Medicare and Medicaid. We believe in the HOPE scholarship. . . . We believe in providing services for our people, and we have done a wonderful job with that since Reconstruction," Darden said.

Republicans, in turn, found Miller's stance heartening at the grass-roots level.

"It's being received extremely well because what it says is, one, Georgia has become a Republican state, and also it shows the level of support for President Bush and for his policies in Iraq and with the economy," said Republican Karen Handel, campaigning Saturday to be Fulton County Commission chair.

An independent fellow

Miller has made it clear that he intends to remain a Democrat, which means reaction to the book, especially in his home state, isn't being cast as a parting shot.

"Zell is an independent kind of fellow. He always has been," said Coleman.

Miller's reception among Democrats at home, even if frosty, will be better than he's likely to receive in his remaining days in Washington.

"He's probably already frozen out" by the Democrats. "The book explains an enormous amount," said Emory political science professor Merle Black.

Miller "went to Washington and found himself a part of a group that he increasingly didn't identify with," said Black, citing the partisan battle over homeland security and the Democrats' pro-union stance, a position that helped lose Max Cleland his seat.

"He describes himself as a conservative Democrat, and across the South there are just very few conservative Democrats left," said Black. "The more he defines himself as a conservative Democrat, the closer he comes to the Republican Party."

On the other hand, the response to Miller in Republican circles gets warmer all the time. Vice President Dick Cheney, speaking Friday at a fund-raiser for Rep. Phil Gingrey, read Miller's statement endorsing Bush and called the Democrat, who was not present, "a distinguished American." Miller's words got a big hand from the Republican audience.

Staff writers Rhonda Cook, Melanie Eversley, Ben Smith and Jim Tharpe contributed to this article.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: booktour; natlpartynomore; zellmiller
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To: Pokey78
"That's an old story. I just don't have any comment," said James Carville..."

LOL How can this be an old story, James? BTW, you look much better with the wastebasket over your head! Would you please wear it after the election next Tuesday?

21 posted on 11/01/2003 8:46:51 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Freedom isn't Free - Support the Troops & Vets!!)
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To: Pokey78
One of the first Democrats the Party left behind was.... Ronald Reagan.
22 posted on 11/01/2003 8:50:17 PM PST by narby
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To: doug from upland
I forgot the leftist college professors.

That's ok Doug, I forgive you. Your first reply covered it very well...and I do appreciate the addendum.

FMCDH

23 posted on 11/01/2003 8:51:24 PM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: Guillermo
"I don't want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks," Gephardt said in a statement. "I will win the Democratic nomination because I will be the candidate for guys with American flags in their pickup trucks."

Hmmm... I wonder whether or not he will be the candidate for guys with Mexican flags in their pickup trucks? It would be interesting to pin him down on that one...

24 posted on 11/01/2003 8:56:36 PM PST by Zeppo
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To: doug from upland
That pretty much covers it!
25 posted on 11/01/2003 8:58:29 PM PST by teldon30
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To: Jorge
I think that has been common knowledge for some time!
26 posted on 11/01/2003 9:03:16 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: Zeppo
In the name if diversity (which Clark claims is one of America's most hallowed ideals????) I would think he would be.
27 posted on 11/01/2003 9:06:05 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: Pokey78
I checked the Conservative Union Record on Zell - he has a voting record of 56, which in my eyes makes him a true moderate (unlike Chuckie Schumer, who said he was a moderate with a vote rating of 6.)(This is a scale of 1-100)

By the way, Arlen Spector is in the 40s, which I guess makes him moderate too, but on the liberal side.
28 posted on 11/01/2003 9:06:37 PM PST by I still care
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To: Pokey78
"Every honor I've had has been through the Democrats, and I'm not going to knife them in the back," he said."

Honor? ROFLOL, honor among thieves. Zell must be an old school democrat, the kind my grand parents voted for, he is as sick of liberals as anyone else it seems.

"Miller's criticisms are a special problem for Southern Democrats because he has played such a key role in defining the modern party across the region, from his early support of Bill Clinton to his widely imitated lottery for education."

Yeah, I'm sure they all enjoyed hiding behind his coat tail as a politician with an honorable, old fashioned, history, giving the nod to destructive modern liberal agendas to voters who trust him. Seems he's taken his coat off.

"In reality, the region has become "incredibly competitive," with power frequently shifting back and forth between the parties, said John Anzalone, a Democratic pollster based in Montgomery. Alabama, he noted, has swapped the governorship between the parties three times in recent elections."

This is true, the South has a throw the bums out approach to voting out which ever party has disappointed them.

"Georgia House Speaker Terry Coleman said he agreed national Democrats had in some respects "gone too far."

Yeah, so far that he doesn't dare detail in what manner they have gone to far. Treason, curlishness, theft, moral equivalency, the destruction of the nation, and that's just for starters.

"It just seems like the left wing of the Democratic Party seems to garner all the attention, and they've not left a lot of room for national moderates and national conservatives," Coleman said."

Yes, a parade of drunks, murderers, currs, fruits, nuts, and clowns, usually does garner alot of attention.

"I'm an unreconstructed, unrepentant, proud Southern Democrat. And my views have not changed. They've evolved like everyone else's," said former Rep. Buddy Darden, a member of the state Democratic Executive Committee

Nothing more unsightly than an evolving, revolving, democrat talking out of both sides of his mouth.

29 posted on 11/01/2003 9:10:28 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Pokey78
"Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, his young daughter in his arms, was approached as he left the Senate floor. Asked for his thoughts, he simply said "no" and rushed onto an elevator."

I believe Dodd started his career as a Limousine Liberal Rockefeller Republican, became and independent, and is now a Democrat. I suspect his co-traitor buddy Jeffords will do the same thing.

30 posted on 11/01/2003 9:34:40 PM PST by ZULU
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Nature abhors a vacuum and a new party with conservatism at its core will arise. The Democratic Party is dead. It has no new ideas and no new idea makers, just a bunch of race-baiters and class-warfare artists. The Republican Party IS tracking left and its bleeding conservatives as it does so. But the question is...what party will fill the conservative gap?
31 posted on 11/01/2003 9:48:09 PM PST by xrp
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To: Torie
First time today I've encountered the word "desquamate" on the 'net. What a magnificent image of the democrat party!
32 posted on 11/01/2003 9:58:56 PM PST by Buck W.
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To: Guillermo
Dear Geppy,

Lots of luck explaining yourself to the owner of that pickup.

33 posted on 11/01/2003 10:16:37 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
JFK would be a MODERATE Republican. For either party to win the next elections, they need to capture the moderate, independent voter.
34 posted on 11/01/2003 10:51:24 PM PST by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: GladesGuru
It's amazing that just last month, Dems like Gephart were at NASCAR races and supposedly going after the "NASCAR Dad" vote.

I guess they can pretty much kiss that vote good-bye and forget that idea now.

35 posted on 11/01/2003 11:03:42 PM PST by auzerais (Boycott ALL CBS Affilliates!!!)
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To: Pokey78
""Every honor I've had has been through the Democrats, and
I'm not going to knife them in the back," he said."

But the DemonRAT Party would knife you in the back
in a heartbeat. That's the character of the creeps
(the Clintons, Kennedys, McAwful, Pelosi, Chicoms) that are
running the party. And what is "honorable" about being a Democrat these days?

36 posted on 11/01/2003 11:08:37 PM PST by StormEye
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To: Pokey78
As I said on the other post, Clinton and the party leadership mortgaged the future in 94 and 96 and almost destroyed the conservative element of the party... Not the legacy he wanted.....
37 posted on 11/01/2003 11:41:37 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: tkathy
there is no such thing anymore as a moderate "independent" voter.

In all kinds of polls, those classifed as "independets" regularly toe one party line or another more frequently than those actually in the party. It just depends on who turns out the vote better.
38 posted on 11/01/2003 11:59:33 PM PST by jmcclain19
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To: Pokey78
Can anyone blame Zell with the latest riff between the Democratic candidates over Deans racist, redneck, remark about southerners who drive around in pickups with confederate flags on the back window. I think a good lesson in history is about to happen here that shows what a sham has been going on when they teach about the Civil War in our public schools. Very few Americans associate it with the true issue at hand at the time and that was STATES RIGHTS.
39 posted on 11/02/2003 12:27:07 AM PST by BackSlidenDemocrat
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To: Timeout
"Zell Miller is what southern men used to be...an interesting Democrat. Bless 'is heart!"

I totally agree. There was a time, I will admit, that I voted for 'em.

I live in Oregon now. Never again...

40 posted on 11/02/2003 1:01:00 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (What can you say about Liberals that hasn't already been said about hemorrhoids?)
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