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>>Yes, I must have missed it. So please, show me where Jesus endorsed drunkenness and was a drunkard Himself. I'd really be interested to know this.

I did not say or intimate that Jesus was a drunkard (that was your statement/question). I did say I think He approved of drinking wine, since He made some. The wedding party had already received plenty of wine before He changed the molecular structure of water, into a bubbly, alcolholic wine, and they commented on its quality. IT WAS A PARTY!

I also did not say that I believed in some type of moral anarchy. I stated that moral relatism is what our world is about.

In your zeal, you obviouly failed to read the posting in its own light. You are still trying to make up rules. Join the temple priests, and you could help them ignore Scripture, as well.

It is easy to accept something we have paid for, with our toil, or minds. Most of us have a hard time accepting a free gift, without strings.

Jesus did everything for us. Our salvation does not come from our actions, it is a direct result of His action (living, dying, resurrected). Our salvation comes as a result of our FAITH in those actions,NOTHING ELSE.

Our actions will get us nothing in God's economy. When we accept Him, He has placed an umbrella over us, and all He sees is His Son reflected back.

He allows us to make mistakes, and then picks us up, dusts us off, and pats our fannies. ( "Go and sin no more".)

But His Spirit, indwelling within us, leads us to change our old BAD habits. He is the motivating power, not us. WE CAN'T DO IT OURSELVES!

IMO, most "religious" activity is pretty whacked, when it leaves out the Creator. There is great moral anarchy in the church. It is not based on God, but on man. I did not condone it in my post, nor do I condone it. I personally reject it, but noted it. (For a prime example, look at the Episcopal Church in the US. Yesterday, my father's last sermon was preached in Grifton, NC. Yesterday, they consecrated a queer Bishop in NH. The two acts are connected.He is/was an Episcopal Priest.)

"Faith without works is dead"

If you become Christian, do you no longer sin? If you sin, do you go to Hell? Is there a Hell? Many questions can be posited, but only one answer works for them all.

Jesus lived a perfect life. He committed NO sin. He did not deserve to die, but was crucified. He was buried, but was seen walking and talking with His friends, and compatriots, three days after being intombed. All of this happened to allow us to see our unworthiness. It is God's plan.

"All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God" Then it says BUT!
Read it in the Greek (or a good translation), and tell me what you think. (If you can't find it in your concordance, I can give the reference, but would like to see how much you use your Bible. If you prefer, I have the NIV (and 14 others, including Greek and Hebrew). I usually quote from the more familiar KJV)

I posted originaly because I thought the words referencing this guy were pretty callous. They were without compassion. They were downright offensive to my Chrisitan sensibility.

I call a queer a queer. I call any sinner a sinner. I believe God loves them, and just don't choose to participate in this name calling.

But any chance to speak about His love should be taken.