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To: DannyTN
Evolutionists say ID is not falsifiable and in the same breath say that the evidence falsifies ID. Which is it?

The falsifiable part of ID is where someone says that a specific organ (or whatever) cannot have evolved. That claim is falsified whenever an evolutionary path is demonstrated. If it could have evolved, than it can't be irreducibly complex. Otherwise, when we say that ID isn't falsifiable, we mean that every species one can point to will be said to be just what the designer had in mind. What kind of theory is that? Everything fits. Nothing is excluded. So in that sense it has no scientific value at all. Unlike evolution, where (to use the commonly given example) a mammal fossil in the pre-Cambrian period would definitely falsify the theory.

"Take a look at this website" Well I looked at the website, but I'm not impressed.

I figured that.

While being far from an expert, I understand that the whale ancestor is based on a fossil fragment that is disputed as a bonified evolutionary fossil. So how many other of those "predictions" are either bogus or made to fit the facts?

You tell me. I don't think that one is bogus. But scientists make mistakes. And admit them. If there's confusion about whale ancestry, and there may be, it will get sorted out. This doesn't affect evolution. It's a detail. There are many such that haven't yet been worked out.

ID makes predictions too. I posted that table in the last thread and at least 3 or the 4 predictions, the theory of Design fit better than the theory of evolution.

I missed that. If you could re-post it, I'll comment.

49 posted on 11/01/2003 1:43:39 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The universe is made for life, therefore ID. Life can't arise naturally, therefore ID.)
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To: PatrickHenry
The following is from this site: Falsify

It appears that columns 2 and 3 in the last row are reversed and that row should probably go to descent, although descent is losing ground in that row with more functionality being ascribed to DNA previously labeled as "junk".



Line of Evidence

Prediction of descent

Prediction from design

Data

Best explaining theory:

1. Biochemical complexity

High information content machine-like irreducibly complex structures will NOT be found.

High information content machine-like irreducibly complex structures will be found.

High information content machine-like irreducibly complex structures are commonly found.

Design.

2. Fossil Record

Forms will appear in the fossil record as a gradual progression with transitional series.

Forms will appear in the fossil record suddenly and without any precursors.

Forms tend to appear in the fossil record suddenly and without any precursors.

Design.

3. Distribution of Molecular and Morphological Characteristics

Genes and functional parts will reflect those inherited through ancestry, and are only shared by related organisms.

Genes and functional parts will be re-used in different unrelated organisms.

Genes and functional parts often are not distributed in a manner predicted by ancestry, and are often found in clearly unrelated organisms.

Design.

4. Genetic Code

The genetic code will NOT contain much discarded genetic baggage code or functionless "junk DNA."

The genetic code will contain much discarded genetic baggage code or functionless "junk DNA."

Increased knowledge of genetices has created a strong trend towards functionality for "junk-DNA"; examples of DNA of unknown function persist, but function can be expected or explained under a design pardigm.

Design.


50 posted on 11/01/2003 1:58:40 PM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"Unlike evolution, where (to use the commonly given example) a mammal fossil in the pre-Cambrian period would definitely falsify the theory. "

Really, or would that fossil simply be regarded as "misplaced".

53 posted on 11/01/2003 2:10:28 PM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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