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To: Just mythoughts
The data - evidence show that fossilized creatures such as snails, etc., that still survive are the same today.

Actually, it doesn't. Some creatures are very similar to creatures that existed millions of years ago, but most, if not all, have some differences to their ancestors. Further, evidence shows that many life forms that exist now did not exist millions of years ago, meaning that they did not come about until later..

That gives proof - evidence of "kind after kind".

"Kind" is a creationist term that has no meaning in biology.

Not all species survived, what we do not find in fossils to those that do survive is a disorganized evolution which could only be the case if "evolution" is what is going on.

Disorganized evolution? Could you perhaps explain this rather than assert it without information?

The "natural" order of things continues

Uh, okay. Meaningless in a scientific explanation, but okay.

Gravity has not evolved.

Of course it hasn't. Gravity is not an imperfect replicator. Evolution does not apply to gravity. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

The sun still rises the same

Actually, the sun only appears to rise to observers on earth. It's the earth that moves around the sun (the sun moves within the galaxy, but that's not something that is casually observed). Also, the movement of the earth around the sun has changed gradually over billions of years. Still, this has nothing to do with biological evolution.

and those laws of nature have not "evolved"

Evolution applies to biological life forms, not "laws of nature". You're babbling nonsense, trying to throw out meaningless philosophical babble in an attempt to cloud the issue in leiu of real knowledge.

and if evolution was a fact all things would be in disorder to the point that "man" itself and all creatures would each be in a state of evolution.

What do you mean "disordered"? And all creatures are in a state of evolution. You don't seem to understand evolution enough to have any basis for attacking it.

Evolution the "theory" of either is organized or disorganize and that is left out of the equation. If organized or follows that natural order who "ORDERED" it? If it is not organized then true evolution would show up in the data.

I can't even parse this. Nothing that you've stated consitutes an argument against evolution. Nothing that you've stated even indicates that you have a functional understanding of what evolution is or how it works.

The rest of your post, including the bit on DNA, indicates that you don't have any background whatsoever in biology. You're throwing out a bunch of words, tossing in "order" and "disorder" and somehow claiming to have disproven evolution. When you learn what evolution actually is rather than this strawman that you think that it is, come back to us and we might be able to have an intelligent discussion.
160 posted on 11/03/2003 11:20:49 AM PST by Dimensio (The only thing you feel when you take a human life is recoil. -- Frank "Earl" Jones)
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To: Dimensio
You have proved all points, disorganized.

Interesting that you "control" what sphere "gravity" gets placed into. "Gravity is not an imperfect replicator" what in the world are you saying? So just where did gravity come from? Just happened?

Evolution is new age religion where people like you think they are so smart that they can possibly, maybe, probably, give ideas as answers. No absolute yes or no except that there is no "creator".

Enjoy your make believe world.

"PARSE" interesting.

What kind of background in biology must one have to know that human DNA is different than the DNA of all other creatures?

Science untainted by theories of evolving from pond scum does in fact give proof to a "Creator". Evolutionist are not brave people, they can't admit that they think so highly of themselves and push a religion. Your arrogance shows in the manner in which you "need" to "probably" make a case that evolution is fact rather than a pile of mass confusion. Enjoy the time given those who preach and teach lies that seek to remove from our children their identity.

161 posted on 11/03/2003 12:55:46 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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