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To: f.Christian
Just from memory, I don't think the quote is that badly butchered. Darwin -- despite the great confidence that he had developed in his theory over years of private study and contemplation, subjecting his ideas to rigorous self-criticism (there wasn't a single substantive critcism of his ideas that he had not, in some form, already considered and thought through) -- was typically hesitant, apologetic and understated in introducing his ideas to others.

There had been, and were at the time, many fatuous and overblown speculations on subjects such as the nature and origin of species, earth/cosmic history, and the like. Darwin didn't want to be classified with such dilletantes. He had a carefully constructed and sober case for his views, and the chance that it would be fairly considered was better if the initial presentation was "toned down".

127 posted on 11/02/2003 12:22:48 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Stultis
W / o all the lies and frauds ... evolution would never have gotten off of the ground --- they still keep the hoax going !
129 posted on 11/02/2003 12:33:37 PM PST by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: Stultis; js1138
Just from memory, I don't think the quote is that badly butchered...

If it's the one I think then it's from two different conversations with two different people, so the ellipses there are ellipsizing a lot. Not sure who researched that one. Maybe js1138?

135 posted on 11/02/2003 2:19:53 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Stultis; VadeRetro
Yes the quote(s) are badly butchered. I spent a lot of time and some money aquiring the book from which the quotes were taken. They are not simply taken out of context. They are deliberately and consciously snipped from context and stitched together to imply the opposite of the author's intention. I have the original scanned pages somewhere and might post them if there is demand.
138 posted on 11/02/2003 4:18:22 PM PST by js1138
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