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To: Vercingetorix
"you might try Arnold Toynbee's ten volume "Study of History." "

I found this on Toynbee.

"IN THE LATE FORTIES, TOYNBEE acquired the reputation of being a passionate Arab protagonist and a fierce opponent of the State of Israel; by his own admission he became known as a "Western spokesman for the Arab cause."

That pretty much descredits Toynbee. What else you got?

61 posted on 11/02/2003 5:11:33 PM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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62 posted on 11/02/2003 7:18:10 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: DannyTN
"That pretty much descredits Toynbee. What else you got?" -- DannyTN

You have had a very sheltered life. Not only is your grasp of history limited but you display an appalling lack of knowledge of current affairs as well. Toynbee was the greatest historian of his day. Everyone who has ever read any history knows Toynbee. In light of current events Toynbee was clearly correct in his appraisal of the partition of Palestine to create a Jewish homeland. He had extensive knowledge of the effect of the partitions of India and Ireland by the British government. Theft by government mandate is still theft, and oppression always leads to resistance. Hate begets hate and the cycle escalates until there are folks so filled with hate and despair that their only possible response is to become a suicide bomber. Perhaps you are aware that there is today a growing movement within the Israeli military that recognizes the futility of heavy handed oppression of a captive people. Toynbee predicted this almost sixty years ago.

By the way, truth is always stranger than fiction. Everything that I have told you is historically accurate. I simply know more than you do about your religion and its history. You could remedy this by study but you would have to recognize that impartial scholarly investigations must start without preconcieved notions. It also helps if you employ the best sources available and not rely exclusively on children's bedtime story versions of history.

63 posted on 11/03/2003 7:30:20 AM PST by Vercingetorix
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