[Cathryn Crawford]

I've always thought the disconnect was with the social conservatives vs. those who follow the libertarian view of conservatives.

Well, there is that divide. Then there are neoconservatives and paleoconservatives. Then there are liberal Republicans...the list goes on and on.

I'm wondering if there is a baseline conservativism that Republicans must have. Are certian beliefs essential?

[LanPB01]

It appears to me there is only one absolutely essential belief, as it's the link that seems to bond all Freepers - feelings of nasuea and disgust at the very mention of anything Clinton.

[jmc813]

I'm wondering if there is a baseline conservativism that Republicans must have. Are certian beliefs essential?

Obviously, there is not. Look at Olympia Snowe, Arlen Specter, and most New Jersey GOP'ers for example. I think the better question would be should certain beliefs be essential.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

Are certian beliefs essential?

No...beliefs or principles are not essential. See above. Robots don't have beliefs.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

Are certian beliefs essential?

Nope, because there's a bitter debate over what constitutes conservatism as it is. Conservatism is a reflective term; it describes nothing but a position relative to something else.

[Gorjus]

...that Republicans must have. Are certian beliefs essential?

Yeah. If you're in the flyover zone, you have to want to be elected. If you're in the socialist zone, you have to want to lose.

Actually, I think the liberal/conserative, left/right distinction is so fundamentally flawed that any attempt to analyze real world applications is doomed. I think the real spectrum is between individual rights versus collective 'rights' and authority. At one extreme are socialists/fascists/totalitarians of all flavors. At the other extreme are anarchists. On that scale, Republicans are generally moderate and Democrats are much closer to the socialist extreme.

I think even the sexual 'rights' they trumpet are in fact an attack on individual rights. Alternate sexuality could always exist in private. What the socialists want is to take away the right of the majority of people to decline support for those alternate sexualities in public - in other words, it takes away an individual's right to choose what sexualities one will consider normal and makes that a collective decision. So once again, Republicans are moderate, and Democrats are socialist extremists.

Just my 0.73241 cents worth (after taxes).

[tpaine]

Cathryn Crawford wrote:

I'm wondering if there is a baseline conservativism that Republicans must have. Are certian beliefs essential?
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Here's a fine baseline that most conservatives could follow:



WHEREAS Republicans believe in limited government, individual freedom and personal responsibility;

WHEREAS we believe that government has no money nor power not derived from the consent of the people;

WHEREAS we believe that people have the right to keep the fruits of their labor; and

WHEREAS we believe in upholding the U. S. Constitution as the supreme law of the land;

BE IT RESOLVED that we endorse the following principles:

1.0 FEDERALISM
1.1 The power of the federal government should be limited, as per the tenth amendment to the U. S. Constitution.

2.0 EDUCATION
2.1 The U. S. Department of Education should be abolished, leaving education decision making at the state, local or personal level.
2.2 Parents have the right to spend their money on the school or method of schooling they deem appropriate for their children.

3.0 HEALTH CARE
3.1 Free market health care alternatives, such as medical savings accounts, should be available to everyone, including senior citizens.
3.2 The federal entitlement to Medicare should be abolished, leaving health care decision making regarding the elderly at the state, local, or personal level.

4.0 TAXATION
4.1 The tax system of the United States should be overhauled.
4.2 There should be a national debate discussing various alternative means of taxation including but not limited to a single flat income tax, repealing the income tax and replacing it with a national sales tax, and reducing spending to the point where the income tax can be repealed without the need to replace it with a national sales tax or any other form of taxation.
4.3 The capital gains tax should be *eliminated*.
4.4 The inheritance tax should be *eliminated*.
4.5 The new tax system should be implemented *promptly*.

5.0 WELFARE
5.1 The U. S. Department of Health and Human Services should be abolished, leaving decision making on welfare and related matters at the state, local or personal level. All Americans have the right to keep the fruits of their labor to support themselves, their families and whatever charities they so choose, without interference from the federal government.
5.2 All able-bodied Americans have the responsibility to support themselves and their families.

6.0 CRIMINAL JUSTICE
6.1 Every American has the right to keep and bear arms. We affirm our support for the second amendment of the U. S. Constitution.
6.2 All people, regardless of position in the public or private sector, should be held equally accountable under the law.
6.3 The *only* litmus test for Supreme Court or other judges should be their determination to accurately interpret, not amend, the Constitution. Judges have *no* authority to make new law.

7.0 CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM
7.1 Election campaigns should not be subsidized by tax payers.
7.2 No individual should be compelled to support a political candidate he or she does not support. Government should not empower trade unions to collect funds from their members for use as political contributions without their members' expressed consent.
7.3 All limits on campaign contributions should be eliminated.
7.4 There should be full and timely public disclosure of all the sources and amounts of all campaign contributions upon their receipt.

8.0 FEDERAL BUDGET
8.1 There should be an amendment to the U. S. Constitution to require a balanced budget, provided it includes a supermajority requirement to raise taxes and provided it does not empower the judiciary to unilaterally raise taxes.
8.2 Honest accounting dictates that all federal expenditures should be on budget.
8.3 Each budget should be derived based upon the justification for and needs of each program, with no program being either budgeted for or increased automatically.

9.0 GOVERNMENT REFORM
9.1 The U. S. Department of Commerce should be abolished, per the tenth amendment of the U. S. Constitution.
9.2 The National Endowment for the Arts should be abolished, per the tenth amendment of the U. S. Constitution.
9.3 The National Endowment for the Humanities should be abolished, per the tenth amendment of the U. S. Constitution.
9.4 The U. S. Department of Housing and Urban Development should be abolished, per the tenth amendment of the U. S. Constitution.
9.5 Subsidies to agricultural and other businesses should be eliminated.
9.6 Corporate taxes should be eliminated simultaneously and proportionally with the elimination of subsidies to businesses.
9.7 Recommendations by the Grace Commission and the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste (CCAGW) should be reviewed and implemented, where possible, beginning immediately.
9.8 Privatization of government assets, management and services should be implemented for cost-effectiveness wherever applicable.

10.0 TRADE
10.1 The U. S. government should inhibit neither the exportation of U. S. goods and services worldwide, nor the importation of goods and services.
10.2 The United States should not be answerable to any governing body outside the United States for its trade policy.

11.0 DEFENSE
11.1 U. S. military should be deployed only where there is a clear threat to vital U. S. interests and only with the consent of the U. S. Congress.
11.2 It is the duty of the federal government to provide a system to defend against missile attacks.
11.3 No branch of the military should be put in harm's way without a clear entrance and exit strategy and a goal, which when achieved, constitutes victory.
11.4 U. S military personnel should always be under U. S. command.
11.5 U. S. armed forces should be all-volunteer.
11.6 Military draft registration should be eliminated.
11.7 Foreign aid is often more harmful than helpful and should be curtailed.

12.0 PROPERTY RIGHTS
12.1 The government should not take private property without just compensation.
12.2 All unconstitutional regulation of private property should be repealed.

13.0 DRUGS
13.1 While recognizing the harm that drug abuse causes society, we also recognize that government drug policy has been ineffective and has led to frightening abuses of the Bill of Rights which could affect the personal freedom of any American. We, therefore, support alternatives to the War on Drugs.
13.2 Per the tenth amendment to the U. S. Constitution, matters such as drugs should be handled at the state or personal level.
13.3 All laws which give license to violate the Bill of Rights should be repealed.

[MHGinTN]

"I'm wondering if there is a baseline conservativism that Republicans must have. Are certian beliefs essential?" There are, to those wishing to water down the pubby vote in 2004 so that the disillusioned degenerate democrat vote can win seats and perhaps the White House. The vote in 2004 had better be more to deny democrats back into power (that for our nation's self-preservation, first, then to hold the corroding pubby's feet to the fire). My antenna begin vibrating when I read invitations to 'purety in the pubby party.' Glad you haven't slid to that level, CC.

[Just another Joe]

I'm wondering if there is a baseline conservativism that Republicans must have. Are certian beliefs essential?

No. I cite as an example mayor Bloominidiot of New York who has an 'R' after his name.

[optimistically_conservative]

I'm wondering if there is a baseline conservativism that Republicans must have. Are certian beliefs essential?

No and No. I feel like we've been through this before, but why confuse a political party or political affiliation with a value system? There have been and are today Democrats more conservative than some Republicans (Nunn was and Z. Miller is). Conservatives have congregated around the Republican banner, increasingly since the Goldwater/Rockefeller convention.

If we establish a "baseline conservatism" or litmus test for membership in a political party, does that adhere to the conservative value of individualism? Why respect Zell Miller's individualism, but not Specter's or Snow's?

I am most amazed that conservatives tend toward cookie-cutter acceptance rather than accepting that conservative values are a way of life for an individual, easily recognized by others. I don't demand all politicians meet my value system to belong to a political party and I vote for the politicians who do regardless of their political party.

I wonder, if I limit my own dependence on government, how active must I be, as a conservative, in denying others of dependence on their government to keep it small? Is my stake in the debate only the amount of taxes extorted to support ignorant, lame and lazy? Is my only option to make the dependant-prone dependent directly on me instead through charity, perhaps helping them to their own independence and conservative value system?