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Scientists find evolution of life
EurekAlert ^ | 10/30/03

Posted on 10/30/2003 5:04:39 PM PST by Dales

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To: Wonder Warthog
You are right, there is no real saying what may happen. But, I can say with certainty that we are well adapted in terms of the location of our farms, our cities and other infrastructure, to the current climate. Thus, changes will have unforseen and costly consequences.

I appreciate you optimism based on shaky middle age records from Europe before they were even aware of the existence of North America. Your extrapolation to assume that warming will have positive consequences for the entire planet are oh so naive.

My guess is that these consequences will ultimately cost more than it will to switch to non-carbon dioxide emitting forms of energy - not to mention the positive national security implications.

Sorry pal, you are placing a wager that is way to high for my blood.
221 posted on 10/31/2003 5:32:00 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Oil is America`s addiction.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I appreciate you optimism based on shaky middle age records from Europe before they were even aware of the existence of North America.

Actually, there is physical evidence, as well. Tree rings. Ice cores.

222 posted on 10/31/2003 5:47:22 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I appreciate you optimism based on shaky middle age records from Europe before they were even aware of the existence of North America.

Actually, there is physical evidence, as well. Tree rings. Ice cores.

223 posted on 10/31/2003 5:47:23 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I appreciate you optimism based on shaky middle age records from Europe before they were even aware of the existence of North America.

Actually, there is physical evidence, as well. Tree rings. Ice cores.

224 posted on 10/31/2003 5:47:40 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: CobaltBlue
It . . . is . . . . happening . . . . again!
225 posted on 10/31/2003 5:48:16 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Sorry about the duplicate posts. Memo to self, only click "send" once.
226 posted on 10/31/2003 5:50:11 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: AndrewC
Nice to see you. By the way, one of the words for "a stranger passing through" is "quidam". It took me a long time to find that bit of info, but at one time it was interesting.
227 posted on 10/31/2003 5:50:31 AM PST by js1138
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To: jennyp
Thank you for your reply! I wish you had the luxury of attending the session, but I do understand the priorities. Hugs!
228 posted on 10/31/2003 5:59:27 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: CobaltBlue
Yes, "which keeps" would have been better. The (local to the plankton) absorbing of CO2 does have the side effect of keeping atmospheric concentrations more nearly constant. There is a feedback system, but the feedback can be positive or negative.

229 posted on 10/31/2003 6:09:28 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Rocky
So there were glaciers at the equator.

But they all disappeared because of man and production of green house gases.

SUV=BAD

230 posted on 10/31/2003 6:11:21 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
"I appreciate you optimism based on shaky middle age records from Europe before they were even aware of the existence of North America."

You display your absolute complete ignorance with this comment. The records of the "Medieval Warming Trend" are NOT from "Middle Age Records"--they are based on scientific measurements from ice cores, pollen samples from sediments, archealogical data (physical measurements on human remains from the period), and the like. These records are far more "science-based" (i.e. based on MEASUREMENTS) than the MODEL-BASED global warming theories.

"Your extrapolation to assume that warming will have positive consequences for the entire planet are oh so naive."

Oh, certain (probably small) areas of the planet will undoubtedly have some negative consequences. So did the Medieval Warm Period (droughts in the desert Southwest, for instance). But, for the most part, the scientific historical record says that the positive effects outweighed the negative effects in geographical extent.

"Sorry pal, you are placing a wager that is way to high for my blood."

So you support the establishment of a global socialist bureaucratic order to "prevent global warming"?? That is what it is really all about, you know.

231 posted on 10/31/2003 6:33:52 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: JethroHathAWay
Looks like I missed all the fun......oh well.....hehe
232 posted on 10/31/2003 7:06:33 AM PST by FourtySeven
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To: Physicist
"That's as may be, but science is about discovering how to explain the explainable."

The ideal scientist should have a passionate dispassion about the conculsions of his theories. It is what it is, nothing added or subtracted. As much attention, experimentation, and theory, press, and horn blowing, should be expended to prove life and species as having been spontaneous as has been exhausted on proving it's not.

Some suspect scientists, fair or not, of being members of a good ol boys club more interested in getting stroked by their peers, than rocking the boat by looking in unauthorized and unpopular directions, and certainly taking no risk of being toss'ed from membership in the club.

This leads, fair or not, to the perception that scientists, in limiting the scope and direction of their research out of haughtiness, has placed humankind in a postion of having been robbed of needed accurate information and their dollars being wasted on useless but popular pursutes that have been a circular route back to "we don't know", and, "there appears to have been a sudden spontaneous eruption of species".

233 posted on 10/31/2003 7:38:22 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: gore3000
And do not talk to me about chemosynthesis, because the life that existed before the Cambrian was photosynthetic bacteria.

Melanocyrillium, 850-million year old "testate amoeba."

234 posted on 10/31/2003 7:52:46 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
So yes, the SciAm article you linked to is shameful for a magazine which claims to be scientific but no longer is now that it is under the editorship of a virulent evolutionist.

I'm probably not old enough to remember when it went downhill, then. I'm only 53.

235 posted on 10/31/2003 7:54:33 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: MissAmericanPie
The ideal scientist should have a passionate dispassion about the conculsions of his theories. It is what it is, nothing added or subtracted.

There's no such thing. Scientists are human too; they just tend to get excited by learning new things. I would say that insatiable curiosity and a keen sense of humor are why they become scientists in the first place.

236 posted on 10/31/2003 8:01:11 AM PST by balrog666 (Humor is a universal language.)
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To: VadeRetro; gore3000
The current (November) issue of SciAm has an article that favors gore's position on introns.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=000D9CB2-4F2D-1F7F-82D883414B7F0000

How could a leftwing rag like SciAm publish something that criticizes traditional genetics?
237 posted on 10/31/2003 8:10:10 AM PST by js1138
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To: balrog666
insatiable placemarker
238 posted on 10/31/2003 8:26:36 AM PST by longshadow
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To: js1138
... continued at Scientific American Digital

But here's the proof that they're suppressing the truth like the lying materialist evo scum they are.

239 posted on 10/31/2003 8:31:00 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
You're still young placemarker
240 posted on 10/31/2003 8:37:09 AM PST by Ogmios (Since when is 66 senate votes for judicial confirmations constitutional?)
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