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Pat asks, "Is Bush Seeking a 'Decent Interval'?" (on Iraq withdrawal)
American Conservative ^ | Oct. 28, 03 | Buchanan

Posted on 10/29/2003 7:13:43 AM PST by churchillbuff

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To: Coop
WMDs themselves in past years

Young Americans sent to die in Iraq today because there were WMDs in past years? Not a very good bargain.

41 posted on 10/29/2003 8:11:59 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Coop
Nor was there any question of the build-up in Iraq

Sorry, but Blix couldn't find WMDs, and now we can't find them.

42 posted on 10/29/2003 8:13:38 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
America would be as isolated in the “international community” as Ariel Sharon.

so what'sPat bitching a bout
He preaches islolationism and wants us out of NATO(as do I)

I guess he was happy that we had all our friends agreeing with us on the Balkan War(NOT)
43 posted on 10/29/2003 8:15:42 AM PST by uncbob ( building tomorrow)
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To: churchillbuff
Why do you insist on defending inaction and cowardice as a basis for foreign policy?

Quite frnakly, that is what the policy is. There is clear evidence of Iraqi links to al-Qaeda, including a chat an Iraqi intelligence agent had with Mohammed Atta, who led one of the 9/11 hijacking teams.

Iraq's links to al-Qaeda alone were reason for war. The violations of the 1991 cease-fire terms were reason for war. The 1993 attempt to assasinate George Bush Sr. was reason for war. Saddam's regime harboring Abu Nidal was reason for war.

After 9/11, ignoring that pattern of conduct was NOT a rational option, but I have long given up on paleo-conservatives ever adopting a rational foreign policy. They seem to prefer ignoring problems and acting like cowards. That got us 9/11 in the first place.
44 posted on 10/29/2003 8:17:37 AM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: churchillbuff
The 9/11 link is irrefutable.

The left always asks us to look for causes as to why we were targeted on 9-11. Okay, why?

Every shred of evidence says that OBL's campaign against the U.S. began when we intervened in the Gulf War and kept troops in the holy land of Saudi Arabia after the war was over. No U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, no 9-11.

Why were troops in Saudi Arabia? Because Hussein invaded S.A. in clear violation of international law.

Why did our troops remain in S.A. after the war? Because Iraq refused to comply with its ceasefire obligations, forcing us to maintain a military presence in Saudi Arabia as a deterrent and as a potential hammer to enforce the terms of the ceasefire.

Saddam Hussein's refusal to comply with the terms of he ceasefire required us to keep troops in Saudi Arabia, which in turn increased anti-U.S. sentiment, and was the specific motivation for the 9-11 attacks. The only way to eliminate the anti-U.S. sentiment caused by the presence of our troops in S.A. was to eliminate Saddam Hussein, and eliminate Iraq as a military threat.

Quot erat demonstratum.

45 posted on 10/29/2003 8:17:46 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: hchutch
We learned from England's mistake at Munich.

Did Pat think it was a mistake ?

46 posted on 10/29/2003 8:20:22 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: churchillbuff
worry not Neville, we will acheive 'peace in our time'. Just not by appeasing the bloody sand-nazis!
47 posted on 10/29/2003 8:21:46 AM PST by mac_truck (A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.)
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To: churchillbuff
"Indeed, his actions—going back, hat in hand, to a UN he called “irrelevant” to ask for help in reconstituting Iraq, going to allies he and Rumsfeld dismissed as “Old Europe” to ask for troops, telling the nation we will transfer power to Iraqis as soon as possible"
48 posted on 10/29/2003 8:22:16 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: churchillbuff
"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

--Winston Churchill
49 posted on 10/29/2003 8:23:08 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: hchutch
I have no doubt that they talked about 9/11 because I believe there is a link between all terror groups and the states that sponsor them. Through terror groups Iraq and Iran work together. When you begin to really study "Islamic Terror", the links are everywhere. There is Al Queda in the West Bank. Islamic Jihad and Hamas are funded by Egypt, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. Hizbollah by Iran and Syria and the monies received by the Palestinian Authority from the EU, UN, and US.

They are all up to their eyeballs in terror and to even suggest, as Pat does, that there is no link is to dismiss the overwhelming evidence that states otherwise.

50 posted on 10/29/2003 8:23:47 AM PST by carton253 (To win the War on Terror, we must, at once, raise the black flag!)
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To: churchillbuff
I can't believe that you, as a long time Freeper, don't know the answer to that question already...

U.S. intelligence suspects Iraq's weapons of mass destruction have finally been located. Unfortunately, getting to them will be nearly impossible for the United States and its allies, because the containers with the strategic materials are not in Iraq.

Instead they are located in Lebanon's heavily-fortified Bekaa Valley, swarming with Iranian and Syrian forces, and Hizbullah and ex-Iraqi agents, Geostrategy-Direct.com will report in tomorrow's new weekly edition.

U.S. intelligence first identified a stream of tractor-trailer trucks moving from Iraq to Syria to Lebaon in January 2003. The significance of this sighting did not register on the CIA at the time.

Source

This was also reported months previously by DEBKA and World Net Daily who cited US and Israeli intelligence as sources. To add fuel to the fire, so to speak...

The powerful blast that reverberated across eastern and central Lebanon Sunday, December 29, was caused by the explosion of a big surface missile in Hizballah hands and of Iraqi origin. Reporting this, DEBKAfile’s exclusive military and Lebanese sources reveal that the Lebanese Shiite terrorist group has recently taken delivery of a shipment of surface missiles, presumed to be medium-range, from the Iraqi army. The blast occurred at a Hizballah training camp near a village called Janta in the northeastern section of the Beqaa Valley close to the Syrian frontier. This camp is also used by the group as a testing ground for new weapons, short range missiles and explosive devices. The blast was heard at a distance of 20 km indicating a warhead of one ton at least. According to our sources, the missile exploded suddenly, catching the Hizballah team handling it unawares and causing a large number of casualties, as indicated by the long line of ambulances and rescue teams reported by witnesses to be racing to the blast scene from northern and central Lebanon. Among them were Syrian military rescue vehicles. The Hizballah quickly sealed off the ravaged area, allowing no one through but the rescue teams, their own operatives and Syrian officers.

Source

In addition, I have been looking for a story that I heard on talk radio this morning...about a topographer who has stated that after studying hundreds of satellite images pre-war and post war, that he has confirmed the presence of convoys of trucks to the Bekaa Valley area prior to the war beginning and he believes that is where the WMD is. I will post it if I can find it, not sure what source the radio host was using.
51 posted on 10/29/2003 8:25:42 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: churchillbuff
Anyway, that doesn't sound like a very good reason for sending hundreds of young Americans to die

42,815 dead in 2002

I'll put you down in the "no cars and no licenses" camp.

Wherever you send young Americans they can die. They are fighting in a noble cause against terrorism. Some of us have not forgotten September 11th. Our armed forces are taking the fight to the enemy. I want them to go after the sponsoring regimes in Syria and Iran as well because those regimes have American blood on their hands.

52 posted on 10/29/2003 8:27:48 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: churchillbuff
I notice both of your posts conveniently ignore that I identified your lies.
53 posted on 10/29/2003 8:29:20 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: XJarhead
Nicely done! :-) I had not seen that particular rationale before. Trumped!
54 posted on 10/29/2003 8:30:15 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Keith
So this is the latest missive from Pat Vallandigham? ...look it up....

Somehow, Pat also strikes me as the sort to eventually earn himself a Darwin Award. He came pretty close the time he started that fight with the cops.

55 posted on 10/29/2003 8:30:39 AM PST by steve-b
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To: churchillbuff
If the president intends to pacify the Sunni Triangle and seal the roads to Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, he will need far more than the 130,000 U.S. troops currently in country.

As I have been posting since 9/01, what is required is the occupation and subjection of Arabia and SW Asia.

This, in turn, requires an Army of at least ten million.

It is much worse to fight the Islamists on their own turf and lose that it is to try to make peace with them.

I do not advocate peacemaking, since it simply puts off but does not eliminate the threat to our safety.

I support a wider war.

I do not support provoking chaos in Iraq, and then failing to suppress it.

President Bush and his State Department apparantly really, really believe in the myth of "moderate Muslims", who, once freed from their evil rulers will become happy world citizens.

The Administration wants to build the world a home, and furnish it with love.

They should want to crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and listen to the lamentations of their women.

Yes, I know the RATs are worse-much worse.

Yes, I am planning to vote for Bush.

But that does not mean I subscribe to willful self delusion about the war. or about our enemies.

56 posted on 10/29/2003 8:33:21 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: FairOpinion
It's a disgrace to even ask

It is not.

What is a disgrace is to fight under the influence of false ideas and false notions about the enemy.

You can be beaten by an enemy-yes, even Arabs, as incredible as that may seem-who understands the conflict better than you do.

57 posted on 10/29/2003 8:36:46 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: churchillbuff
You Patsies make we want to vomit! You know DAMN WELL that Bush did NOT say the threat was imminent. He really said this:

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option."

I was born in 1957. Both my parents were born in 1915, and lived through WWII. From my earliest days it was drilled into my head that had the Allies acted against Hitler WHEN HE WAS IN VIOLATION of the treaty of Versailles BEFORE he was able to build up his armed forces that the war would never have happened. In junior high I learned that at the time of the Berman move into the Rhineland the French had an army FIVE TIMES as big as the Nazis, yet the French did nothing.

You clearly don't learn from history. Why don't you change your screen name to chamberlainbluff.

58 posted on 10/29/2003 8:39:06 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Jim Noble
They should want to crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and listen to the lamentations of their women

I share the same sentiment... We must, at once, raise the black flag. Give them no quarter. We must utterly defeat them. It's the only thing an enemy understands.

59 posted on 10/29/2003 8:42:55 AM PST by carton253 (To win the War on Terror, we must, at once, raise the black flag!)
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To: hchutch
Pat Buchanan, allegedly in favor of 100%-American-Sovereignty-And-F***-What-The-World-Thinks, suddenly saying that we have to respect world opinion?

Say it ain't so, Pat!

60 posted on 10/29/2003 8:48:02 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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