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Free speech, hate speech clash
NBC NEWS ^ | Oct. 28 | Pete Williams

Posted on 10/29/2003 5:07:11 AM PST by CSM

CASPER, Wyo., Oct. 28 — Five years after University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard was killed, touching off a national dialogue on gay rights, an anti-gay hate group wants to put up a monument to Shepard’s murder in hiss hometown. The city doesn’t want it, but it is caught in a legal tangle that involves, of all things, the Ten Commandments.

AT SHEPARD’S FUNERAL in his hometown of Casper, Wyo., an anti-gay hate group demonstrated in a park across the street, led by the Rev. Fred Phelps, a Baptist minister from Kansas.

Now members of Phelps’ group are back in Casper pushing to be allowed to put up a granite monument in the same park where they picketed at Shepard’s funeral.

The proposed monument would say, “Matthew Shepard entered Hell, October 12, 1998.”

That was the day that Shepard, 21, died of injuries and hypothermia he suffered five days before when two men beat him with a gun butt and left him to die while tied to a fence post in zero-degree weather, after meeting him at a bar in Laramie. Both of the men were later convicted.

‘GOD’S HATE, NOT HUMAN HATE’

“Our message is a message of God’s hate, not human hate,” said Marge Phelps, the reverend’s wife, also of the Westboro, Kan., Baptist Church. “And the concept of God’s hate is found in the Bible. And all it means is that people are going to go to hell if they disobey God.”

The city of Casper, home to about 50,000 residents, wants to say no but may not be able to.

The city park where the anti-gay group wants to put the Shepard monument already has a monument, this one honoring the Ten Commandments from the Bible. And under the law, if the city wants to keep this Shepard monument out, then the Ten Commandments will have to go, too.

Why? Because, legal experts say, the city unwittingly invited other monuments when it put up the Ten Commandments in a public park.

“By putting the Ten Commandments in the park, they created a sort of public forum for speech and debate,” said Tom Goldstein, a First Amendment attorney and appellate court lawyer. “And once the city does that, it can’t discriminate against other viewpoints, no matter how hateful.”

MAYOR OFFENDED BY ‘FILTH’

‘The fact that Reverend Phelps ... would come into Casper and try and put that filth under the guise of the Ten Commandments is total idiocy.’ — BARB PERYAM mayor of Casper, Wyo.

Casper Mayor Barb Peryam said she was offended by the Kansas group’s tactic. “The fact that Reverend Phelps, or Mr. Phelps, would come into Casper and try and put that filth under the guise of the Ten Commandments is total idiocy.”

Bob Crosby, president of the local Eagles Club, which donated the Ten Commandments, said the Eagles reluctantly offered the city a way out: “We would hope they would donate it back to us, and we can display it in an appropriate place.”

Now the city council must decide what to do about this monument, concerned that the Ten Commandments could be used to force the city into accepting a message of hate.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: fredphelps; freespeech; godhatesamerica; godhatesfags; hatecrime; matthewshepard
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To: Between the Lines
Well, their official name is "God Hates Fags" or something like that, which is why the media never uses it...
41 posted on 10/29/2003 7:57:51 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (The Truth is to see The Gift)
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To: CSM
I'm certainly not a supporter of the gay agenda, but Phelps and his crowd are idiots. They reinforce every negative stereotype about Christianity and conservatism, and they therefore do harm to all of US.
42 posted on 10/29/2003 7:58:42 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Between the Lines
The media knows how they made it sound and they did it purposefully.

Thank You!!! THAT is EXACTLY the point I have been trying to get across.

43 posted on 10/29/2003 7:59:45 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Well, their official name is "G-d Hates Fags" or something like that, which is why the media never uses it...

"G-d Hates Fags" is only the name of their website. If you go to that site you will see that the only names they refer to themselves as are Westboro Baptist Church or WBC.

44 posted on 10/29/2003 8:10:09 AM PST by Between the Lines ("What Goes Into the Mind Comes Out in a Life")
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To: Between the Lines
Same difference, I guess.
45 posted on 10/29/2003 8:44:35 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (The Truth is to see The Gift)
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To: CSM
Two sided question that begs to be asked. If Phelps' church is an anti-gay hate goup what are the people that make up GLADD and the radical homosexual community? Boy Scouts?

Oh no. What have I said now?
46 posted on 10/29/2003 8:53:36 AM PST by sully777
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To: CSM
Two sided question that begs to be asked. If Phelps' church is an anti-gay hate goup what are the people that make up GLADD and the radical homosexual community? Boy Scouts?

Oh no. What have I said now?
47 posted on 10/29/2003 8:53:40 AM PST by sully777
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To: Puppage
the news refers to them as an anti-gay hate
group ... could just have easily called them an anti-adultery group


GODHATESFAGS on their signs is an act of self-labeling, I'd say.
Hates groups are as hate groups do.
48 posted on 10/29/2003 2:41:51 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
GODHATESFAGS on their signs is an act of self-labeling

Agreed. However, I am sure that's one of MANY signs, for any number of lifestyles, beliefs, or religons that they disagree with. It's just that THIS story is the one they choose to go after now.

49 posted on 10/29/2003 3:33:28 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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