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Hu Jintao's very offensive speech - Chinese "President" makes claim to Australia
Taipei Times ^ | 10-29-03 | Bruce Jacobs

Posted on 10/28/2003 11:21:39 PM PST by tallhappy

Hu Jintao's very offensive speech

By Bruce Jacobs ®a³Õ

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2003,Page 8

Chinese President Hu Jintao (­JÀAÀÜ) expressed strong concern about the possibility of being insulted during his speech to Australia's parliament. In fact, his speech has insulted every Australian.

In his first substantive paragraph, Hu states, "Back in the 1420s, the expeditionary fleets of China's Ming dynasty reached Australian shores. For centuries, the Chinese sailed across vast seas and settled down in what was called `the southern land,' or today's Australia. They brought Chinese culture here and lived harmoniously with the local people, contributing their proud share to Australia's economy, society and thriving pluralistic culture."

These statements are poor malarkey. There is not the slightest evidence that Chinese ships visited the northwest coast of Australia, let alone settled here. And the Chinese fleets, though great, had a very limited period of activity. They most certainly did not travel "for centuries."

However, what is most offensive about these statements is that China uses these voyages to claim islands far to the south of Vietnam as Chinese territory. Is China laying the basis for a future claim of Australian territory?

A few paragraphs later, Hu correctly states, "Democracy is the common pursuit of mankind, and all countries must earnestly protect the democratic rights of their people." But it is simply not true that China has "moved steadfastly to promote political restructuring and vigorously build democratic politics under socialism, while upholding and improving our systems of people's congresses, multiparty cooperation and political consultation under the leadership of the Communist Party and regional ethnic autonomy." About the only true part of that statement is that China remains under the "leadership of the Communist Party."

A few paragraphs later, Hu says, "China and Australia are different in social systems. This is the result of different choices made by our people in light of their national conditions and the two countries' different historical evolution."

Again, when have the Chinese people had a "choice?" The revolution, when the Chinese people last had some choice, finished in 1949. Since then the Chinese people have had no opportunity to express their wishes about their social system or about their political leaders, local or central.

Finally, in the last substantive paragraph, Hu addresses the issue of Taiwan. He reiterates the Chinese position that "Taiwan is an inalienable part of Chinese territory." But he goes on to say, "The greatest threat to peace in the Taiwan Strait is the splittist activities by Taiwan independence forces." This is not true on two levels.

First, the only party threatening military action in the Taiwan Strait is China, which persists in refusing to renounce the use of force. Each year, China also adds 50 missiles pointed at Taiwan to its arsenal, so that now the num-ber of Chinese missiles pointed at Taiwan is around 400. On the other hand, Taiwan has not threatened China. Nor has the US, Japan or Australia.

Second, according to June polls run by the Election Study Center of National Chengchi University, less than 10 percent of Taiwan's residents identify themselves as "Chinese." Over 40 percent identify themselves as "Taiwanese," while another 40 percent describe themselves as both "Taiwanese and Chinese." Only one of six residents favor unification with China even in the future and those who favor immediate unification number less than 5 percent.

Unlike Chinese, Taiwanese do have the right to vote and decide on their future and, at least at present, they do not want to re-unify with China.

Hu's call that "The Chinese government and people look to Australia for a constructive role in China's peaceful reunification" is very strange. Up to now, China has claimed Taiwan to be an "internal matter" and told other countries to stay out of its affairs.

If Hu is asking Australia to side with China against the US on the Taiwan issue, he is mistaken. Australia has consistently (though more quietly) sided with the US in support of a peaceful resolution of the issue. This Australia-US cooperation on Taiwan started in the early 1990s as Taiwan democratized and has continued under both Labor and Liberal governments.

China's blatant attempts to control Australian democratic institutions are also offensive. The calls and e-mails of the Chinese embassy to Australian media asking that protests against Hu be ignored in reporting is an attempt to transport Chinese practices to Australia. The demand for three guests of the Greens to be removed from the public gallery -- or else Hu would refuse to speak -- is also insulting and unacceptable.

As a China specialist for 35 years, I laud the improvement in the Australia-China relationship. But improvement is a two-way street and Hu should also show respect for Australian democracy. As noted above, Hu said, "Democracy is the common pursuit of mankind, and all countries must earnestly protect the democratic rights of their people." This, of course, includes the Chinese people, who account for one-fifth of mankind.

Bruce Jacobs is professor of Asian languages and studies at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia, where he is director of the Taiwan Research Unit.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; china; hu; islands; jintao; spratley
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The new "president" of China is clealry insane.

China uses these voyages to claim islands far to the south of Vietnam as Chinese territory

This refers to the Spratley Islands which China claims.

1 posted on 10/28/2003 11:21:40 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
The good news is the spratly islands have not been found to have any oil reserves.
2 posted on 10/28/2003 11:36:20 PM PST by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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To: tallhappy; Enemy Of The State
<< The new "president" of "china" is clearly insane. >>

Spot on.

The [Butcher of Llasa] snake at the head of the predatory Peking-based pack of psychopathological, lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering gangster bastards that so grandiously calls itself "china" is a psychopathological, lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering gangster bastard.

A deadly-dangerously delusionally-hesperophobic froth and foam-flecked psychotic posing as a "politician," whose self-annointing and self-perpetuating psychotic pack presides -- even while seeking to expand it forever -- over a brutally-enforced imperialistic colonial empire whose three point seven million square miles already includes more than two point five million square miles of other Peoples' invaded, conquered, coloninized and enslaved lands, territories, Nations and Sovereign States.

Clearly insane.

And every-bit-as-clearly deadly dangerous.
3 posted on 10/28/2003 11:46:32 PM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
Spent too much time at the monkey-brain table?
4 posted on 10/28/2003 11:56:48 PM PST by 185JHP ( Not much quag. Even less mire.)
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To: 185JHP
Your point, houzi boy?
5 posted on 10/29/2003 12:01:05 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
Hu does he think he is?
6 posted on 10/29/2003 12:03:38 AM PST by Consort
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To: donmeaker
The bad news is the Spratleys still sit smack dab in the middle of major shipping lanes for that area.

Regardless the lack of oil reserves, as a strategic position it is essential, and China cannot have it.

7 posted on 10/29/2003 12:04:02 AM PST by Drammach
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To: 185JHP; tallhappy; Consort; Drammach; Enemy Of The State
<< Spent too much time at the monkey-brain table? >>

Better that than at the chow lan cheow table you've been sucking on, Sin Seh.
8 posted on 10/29/2003 12:40:56 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
Squatting Tiger, Bulemic Dragon....
9 posted on 10/29/2003 12:46:56 AM PST by Drammach
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To: tallhappy; Cincinatus' Wife; ALOHA RONNIE
Text of the speech for reference and discussion: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1010263/posts

Peace with China and China's willingness to join the free world are essential to the future of the human race. It's not clear from this speech that we have real hope of that happening.

Taiwan: non-negotiable.
5,000 year-old culture: of academic interest.
Chinese in Australia before the British? So what.
Security conceps based on mutual trust, mutual benefit? Prove it: disarm the DPRK. Discontinue arms proliferation.
Aagainst terrorism? Stop supporting Maoists all over the world.

China has some further changes to make before we can call it a friend. Meanwhile, REMEMBER the Chosin Reservoir. REMEMBER the Clintons. REMEMBER Wen Ho Lee. REMEMBER the reeducation camps. REMEMBER millions of starved people.
10 posted on 10/29/2003 12:57:05 AM PST by risk
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To: risk; tallhappy; All
China gains on Japan in age-old rivalry for Asia influence*** At last week's APEC meeting in Bangkok, for example, a vigorous and fresh-faced new Chinese president, Hu Jintao, was busy coordinating responses to a North Korea missile test as the leader of six-party talks, prepping for a show-stealing visit to Australia, where the Chinese leader signed a $17 billion equity share in an Australian liquid-gas development project, and accepting congratulations from heads of state for China's successful manned space launch, the first Asian nation to put a human in orbit. China has been busy buying minerals, food products, and other raw materials in both North and South Asia, and seemingly caring little about tariffs.

Japanese diplomats, by contrast, appeared to spend much time in Bangkok, unsuccessfully lobbying for a resolution against North Korean abductions of Japanese citizens, an issue that plays well in Japan on the eve of next month's elections but which has lost its cachet outside Japan.

Sources says the Japanese also appeared too stringent in their trade policies - eager to push their own agricultural products but less interested in buying the products of others.

"The new Chinese leadership has the capability to send a more refined message. Hu Jintao seems more elegant, and he sells China well," says a Japanese foreign ministry official. "I'm glad China is starting to engage in the world in a greater and better behaved manner. China is catching up. But it is way too early to say they have caught up. China is a huge country, with huge problems, and their growth rates are not sustainable."

Still, the expansion of China's relations in Asia, the ongoing gravitation pull of its cheap labor, and its professed desire to become a mainstream player on the world stage, are all looked at with dismay in Tokyo.

Since the turn of the 20th century, essentially, Japan has tended to hold the chief strategic influence in Asia - first as an aggressive colonial power prior to World War II in Korea and China, and later as America's chief ally in the region and the world's No. 2 economy.

Many Americans may regard World War II as a contest between Japan and the US. Yet some Asian experts describe it as one part of an ancient struggle between the Chinese and Japanese civilizations. The issue is hardly black and white, especially since China and Japan are part of a region that is rapidly integrating economically, and whose elites are quite aware of the need for greater levels of interaction.***

11 posted on 10/29/2003 12:59:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Drammach
<< Squatting Tiger, Bulemic Dragon .... >>

Hu might that be?

Not nanren men zai hua sheng tun, by any chance?
12 posted on 10/29/2003 1:29:17 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; risk; tallhappy; Enemy Of The State
<< the first Asian state to put a human in orbit. >>

In its dreams, maybe.

And only if, as is "china's" wont, you don't count the overwhelmingly Asian state, Russia -- or that other overwhelmingly Asian state, the USSR, which have been almost casually putting Asian and European and every other kind of men in orbit since Yuri Gagarin took his April 12 1961 ride into history.

And with the same hardware as "china's," too.

And the same stolen American software.

Only things "china" contributed to last week's orbit or two were the launch pad and its usual truck loads of lies.
13 posted on 10/29/2003 1:41:39 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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Only things "china" contributed to last week's orbit or two were the launch pad and its usual truck loads of lies.

And the spy satellite it left.

China's man in Space*** The first manned flight is expected to be in space for only 90 minutes. But after separation, the orbital module with its own propulsion system for autonomous flight will stay in space for up to eight months. The orbital modules of Shenzhou 3 and 4 had an ELINT capability that included three antennas aimed at Earth to determine the source of ultra-high frequency emissions, plus other antennas designed to detect and locate radar transmissions. The Soviets used similar transmissions to monitor movements of U.S. Navy ships. ***

14 posted on 10/29/2003 2:21:24 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
<< And the [Stolen Nineteen-fifties American technology] spy satellite it left. >>

Fear not, Dear Lady, "china" has another billion or so murderously-colonized captives, slaves and serfs to lift out of the middle ages before it lifts much of its own into space.

Meanwhile its fort? sees it "lift" the designs for Wal-Mart towel racks and Toys-R-US bubble pipes from idiot-savant-located prison-labor factories.
15 posted on 10/29/2003 3:59:58 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tallhappy
I don't think Hu is crazy. If he is, it's crazy like a fox.

YES! CHINA HAS DESIGNS, EYES, COVETOUS EYES ON AUSTRALIA as more than one well connected source asserted to me voluntarily.

They say something along the lines of . . .

"So much land, so few people. We have so few people. It is our destiny, our right.

Powerful people in government have attitudes precisely as outlined in this article.

Wake up, world!
16 posted on 10/29/2003 5:06:48 AM PST by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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oooops

Chinese in positions to know expressed this attitude:

"Australia has so few people, so much land. We have so many people, and our land is crowded. It is our destiny, our right to take over Australia. This century, this millenium will be the Chinese Century, the Chinese Millenium. China will lead the world."
17 posted on 10/29/2003 6:10:31 AM PST by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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To: Brian Allen
"Not nanren men zai hua sheng tun, by any chance?"


Who in Washington are you refering to? Any men there, or is it someone in particular?
18 posted on 10/29/2003 8:05:00 AM PST by Eric Paul (Geography is Important)
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To: Eric Paul
"Nanren men zai hua sheng tun" was/is the Jiang Gang's contemptuous reference to Xian Sen Kling Tong.

With the emphasis on contemptuous.

To a man they loathed and detested the evil bastard and every last co-serial-raping lickspittle that slithered and slimed in his trail.
19 posted on 10/29/2003 9:51:44 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
If that is the case I think that I do not understand. shenme nan he shenme men? Argh! I wish I could just use characters here. It would simplify things so much.
20 posted on 10/29/2003 10:07:51 AM PST by Eric Paul (Geography is Important)
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