[Destro]

It has nothing to do with losing wars. It has everything to do with being butchering barbarians. Winning wars and battles is easy. The Greeks and Romans both won and lost but they left in their wake compensation for their empires. The Turks left nothing to history. In fact the Turks destroyed cities and founded none in their place. Every Turkish city is a city founded by someone else. Some cities the Turks never bothered to rebuild because they did not know how once the populations were done away with.

The Mongols were actually better than the Turks because being Anamists they had no desire to convert conqured populations while the Turks being both Asiatic barbarians and Muslims were butchers even after resistance ended something the Mongols never did to those that accepted defeat.

[rmlew]

Turks never build cities?
Ugrench, Samarkhand, Bukhara and hundreds of others where built by southern Turks.
The Ghuzz were barbarians when they invaded Anatolia. They lived by the horse. They grew over centuries. Of course they built over greek cities, just as the Greeks did when they conqueren the levant.

And if you want religious tyranny, don't get me started on the Byzantines occupation of israel. The wine press was often used as a means of torture and execution.
Don't forget the past, but don't let it consume you.