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To: alisasny
You wrote:

"I was not at all offended by your reply to me, I am of thicker skin than that.

: )

The kid or should I say the 16 year old who had an unblemished record made a bad choice one night at the wrong home ( like someone else said)

Once in a while a childhood prank goes wrong, not the first and surely not the last.

And as usual we have too little info and the kid was a saint compared to the EVIL homeowner who is portrayed as a right wing gun hack who shoots to kill.

No the story does not portray that like I just did but if you reread the story it does just that.

Anyway all day i looked for new stories on this matter and since it did turn into a debate here I hope I or someone else will follow up on this.

BTW I am not a gun owner and I have had my car vandalized in front of my home 2 times.

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Fair enough. I figured you to have "skin" at least thicker than duct tape. You are here aren't you? : )

I'm suspect/critical of the LameStream media....probably more than the average FReeper. And it's not only probable, it's highly likely "we" don't have the whole story here.

I just find the story as we know it right now...a sad commentary. I'm not that old..and I clearly remember playing in the neighborhood on summer nights...Did we play hide-n-seek till 11:00 p.m.? Sometimes...I'll bet we probably did. Did we ring the neighbors door-bells and run...? Yes, we did. Did we hop back-yard fences to retrieve our balls, and toys. Yeah, we did. I guess by the letter of the law we trespassed..and harassed the neighbors. We always thought we were just being kids.

Now mind you...we surely weren't 16 years of age either...We were 8 thru 13 yrs old..more than likely.

I've almost said..."But for the grace of God, there go I". But...we live in way different times. And I don't think anyone would have pulled a gun on us..and shot us then.

FWIW-

310 posted on 10/26/2003 3:12:20 PM PST by Osage Orange (Politicians favor unarmed citizens)
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To: Osage Orange
I am a bit concerned as well about a 16 year old doing this. (not to mention he was going to get his drivers license.)

Anyway I have to go and bump me back for further discussion.

BTW I am sorry as anyone else the poor kid is dead but some actions get a reaction that we just dont expect.

315 posted on 10/26/2003 3:22:51 PM PST by alisasny (No one is listening until you make a mistake.)
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To: Osage Orange
We always thought we were just being kids. Now mind you...we surely weren't 16 years of age either...We were 8 thru 13 yrs old..more than likely. I've almost said..."But for the grace of God, there go I". But...we live in way different times. And I don't think anyone would have pulled a gun on us..and shot us then.

We were being kids. In a day and age where murder and mayhem were not splattered all over the TV screen, when high schools shooting made reference to the team's standings in rifle competition, before car alarms, and when you (or your dad) could order a rifle or pistol by sending a check to Herter's and filling out the form and get it in the mail, provided you were old enough.

As you said, we live in way different times. It is to the great benefit of politicians and industry alike to keep the people frightened and then produce the 'solutions' to the prooblems, which commonly they themselves create.

Columbine massacres, babies in dumpsters, widespread hard drug use, even street gangs were alien concepts to most of America until the Media brought all the bloody ills of the world into your living room. As we perceive ourselves, we will be. The pollsters best understand the self-fulfilling nature of their prophesies, by morphing the debate farther and farther away from what used to be regarded as traditional values.

Simply enough, the Press can't stand absolutes such as "abortion is murder" or homosexuality is an abombination to God", so they attack the core Judeo-Christian values which used to apply, at the very least in appearance, and continue to present aberrations of humanity as normal, everyday events instead of the horrorshows they are. Peoples' expectations change as well. The ability to shock someone over mothers dumping babies in trash cans wrapped in plastic has faded, so they need some more abberant headline, and our culture's perception of itself slides down thee scale another notch.

In reality, there are a lot of decent folks out there, doing their best, and the 'if it bleeds-it leads' headline fodder is the exception, not the rule. But some people do not realize this and will view the world around them with what has become a culturally acceptable level of paranoia, as others will play into that, drawn by the revenues to be made from 'protecting' the masses, or the empowerment of intimidation and lure of easy lucre.

I detected clear undertones of anti-gun sentiment in the tone of article, a media favorite because an unarmed populace is easily intimidated.

One of the things the media have changed (for the worse) is the perception that each generation is somehow a new wave of aliens, rather than our offspring, or our offspring's offspring. Beyond the trimmings, people are people, as they have always been, and human nature applies. Kids push the envelope, try outrageous modes of dress, tatoos, piercings (used to be just ears), different buzzwords and ways to talk, fast cars, a beer, cigarettes, etc. Welcome to Growing Up and Figuring Out Your Place in the World (and the local pecking order) 101. Hopefully, you will survive. Sorry, forget the Leave-it-to-Beaver reruns, the rules have changed....

Sorry about the rant, I just needed to say that.

If us ol' geezers want to push that pendulum back, it is time to start befriending and mentoring the younger generation, not viewing them with unwarranted derision and suspicion.

476 posted on 10/28/2003 10:20:03 AM PST by Smokin' Joe
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