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$85,000 salaries: Teaching pays off
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | October 26, 2003 | D. AILEEN DODD

Posted on 10/26/2003 1:59:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

The image of the underpaid schoolteacher who sacrifices life's riches for the sake of children still fits many educators but not all.

Thanks in part to a decade of healthy pay raises and a system of incentives that rewards longevity and postgraduate studies, 1,943, or almost 2 percent, of Georgia's public school educators were paid $85,000 or more last year, according to salary data from the state Department of Education. Among that group, 81 principals had annual salaries that topped $100,000.

"Georgia's average teacher pay rose more than 49 percent over the last 10 years, greatly outpacing national or regional pay rates," said Kathy Cox, state superintendent. "In fact, we rank first among states in the Southeast in terms of teacher salaries."

Indeed, Georgia's average salary of $43,933 in the 2001-02 school year was higher than 11 other Southeastern states and ranked 19th nationally, according to a survey by the national teachers union, the American Federation of Teachers. National comparisons from last school year -- when Georgia's average rose to $45,414 -- are not available.

Lifting Georgia's average were educators such as Judy Henry, who as a third-grade teacher in Paulding County last year earned $90,847.

Henry typifies how teacher salaries rise to the top levels. After beginning her career in Tennessee in 1977, she went on to earn a master's and a doctorate.

To move her pay along, she taught after-school and extended-year classes and received her certification in gifted education.

"If there is any way to make some extra money, volunteer to do it," said Henry, who teaches gifted elementary students. "You have just got to keep looking at the pay schedule. [The top] should be your goal."

Like Henry, most of Georgia's highest-paid teachers receive supplements for taking on responsibilities like coaching, after-school tutoring or summer school teaching. Most of them have postgraduate degrees and more than 20 years' experience.

In Cobb County, teachers who sponsor academic activities can earn from $570 to $2,640 extra per year. Music directors are paid an additional $1,000 to $6,820. Supplements for coaches range from $1,000 to $8,800. Other counties have comparable systems.

For Danny Cronic, whose $90,895 salary made him the highest-paid classroom teacher in the state last year, serving as head football coach of East Coweta High helped push him into the ranks of the top earners.

Cronic, who teaches physical education, received a doctorate from Middle Tennessee State University in 1985.

"All I have ever done is just coach and teach," said Cronic, 57, who is exploring retiring after this school year. "The doctorate came about because I had a principal who gave me some advice. He said if I was going to be in education long-term, I needed to get as much education as I could."

Such decisions have helped move some educators to the top stratum of earners. Households with incomes of more than $75,000 fall into the top one-fourth of all wage earners, according to the Census Bureau.

"I don't think anyone needs to be ashamed of saying they want to be a teacher and not be poor," said Janet Bass, spokeswoman for the Washington-based American Federation of Teachers. "If a teacher has a number of years of experience, a master's degree or a Ph.D., that teacher should be well paid. Just like in any profession, the more credentials you have, the more you are worth to the company, and in this case the more you are worth to the student."

About two-thirds of the teachers in the state have 15 or fewer years' experience, and the state salary schedule for that group is $27,650 to $58,103. The schedule does not reflect supplements.

"By law, a system must pay minimally the state salary schedule," said Bobby Stephens, a senior associate with Metropolitan Regional Educational Service Agency, a consortium of school systems in the Atlanta region. "Gwinnett, DeKalb and others pay a lot more than the state salary schedules."

DeKalb County paid beginning teachers with a bachelor's degree $36,900 last year, the highest starting pay in the metro area, according to Metro RESA.

'A rare exception to the rule'

Most educators leave the profession well before they reach top pay levels, according to the teachers federation.

"We probably have a [salary] schedule in Georgia that pays not enough at the front end and maybe appropriately at the opposite end, but it takes a long time and additional degrees to get there," said Stephens, who used to be director of human resources for DeKalb County Schools. "During that time, a lot of folks drop out. The dropout rate is really high in the first five years. . . . Teachers in the $80,000 to $90,000 pay range are a rare exception to the rule."

Cobb County choral teacher Cheryl DeMenna agrees. "It is impossible for just a regular teacher to make that kind of money. The average teacher just comes in to teach from 8 to 3:30," she said.

DeMenna, who earns $81,590, sometimes works 12-hour days, juggling chorus rehearsals and extended-day classes.

"I don't gripe about the money I make, be it a lot or a little, but [without supplements] I would make substantially less," she said. "If you are coaching or doing extracurricular stuff, you are there before school, after school, on weekends. [You] earn every dime of what [you] make."

The state's highest-paid principal, Bobby Rorie, suggests that the $111,000 he was paid last school year is commensurate with the hard work of being an administrator and the preparation required to become one.

"I don't think teaching is lucrative because of the responsibility that is included in the job," said Rorie, who works in the Clayton County school system. "First of all, you borrow lots of money to get your college education, and then you have to borrow more to get your master's and doctorate.

"Then, when you are finally making a decent salary, you also have accumulated a large debt . . . and at the same time you have got a house, a car and other things you are responsible for as well."

Because of Georgia's pay freeze for educators this school year, Rorie and his wife, Vera, an assistant dean at Emory University, have cut back on spending.

While some are feeling the pinch of a pay freeze, principals at a number of Gwinnett County schools are watching their income grow because of a system that ties pay to enrollment. The school system rewards principals with $7.01 for every student projected to enroll. Gwinnett's is the largest school system in the state -- with almost 129,000 students and 1,530 trailer classrooms -- and its growth continues to outpace that of other counties.

Last school year, the county's highest-paid principal, Glenn McFall of Suwanee's Collins Hill High, received a supplement of $29,021 for enrollment. The extra money accounted for about 27 percent of his $109,160 salary.

Enrollment supplements

If head counts in September show a school has exceeded enrollment projections, the per pupil pay is adjusted upward. In a check of major school districts in the metro area, Gwinnett's school system was the only one paying its principals per pupil.

"The enrollment supplement allows the school system to appropriately compensate principals for the number of students they serve, and the responsibilities and challenges that come with the day-to-day operation of serving those students," said Sloan Roach, spokeswoman for Gwinnett County Schools.

But when enrollment forecasts exceed the number of students who attend a school, the principal is paid based on the forecast.

The administrator is still paid $7.01 per student as if the projections had been met and the students had come to school.

More than 50 Gwinnett principals this school year were slated to be paid for students who were not in their school, according to the September enrollment count.

Principals take the lead

Principals in DeKalb County sometimes get salary bumps to push them above the highest-paid teachers in their schools.

The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools requires principals to be the highest-paid employees on their campus. DeKalb school officials estimated that this year 20 principals benefited from the standard.

"Like in industry or anywhere else, if you have a CEO or a person in charge, that person is usually the highest-paid person on staff," said Mont Bush, director of accreditation services for SACS' secondary and middle school commission in Decatur. "He or she is in a leadership role.

"The difficult part of the standard is where you have young administrators coming on board. Schools usually have three to four years to set up a process of reaching that goal in the event that they are hiring a young administrator."

But sometimes young principals get top dollar without the help of a supplement.

Morcease Beasley, 33, has eight years' experience and earns $94,848 as principal of DeKalb's Stephenson High School.

Not many years ago, such salaries were unheard of.

In 1985, the average teacher's salary in Georgia was $20,606, about $3,000 less than the national average. At the time, the teachers federation ranked Georgia's pay 34th in the nation.

That same year, Jane Stegall -- now one of the state's top 10 highest-paid principals -- was settling into her second year as a department chair at Shiloh High School in Gwinnett County. The move had given her more responsibility and a salary of $27,068.

Stegall had begun her career in 1973 in DeKalb County Schools making about $9,000 a year.

"I made ends meet," she said. "I'm just not the kind of person who worries about the almighty dollar."

But by 1991, with Gov. Zell Miller in office, teachers began to see aggressive state efforts to raise their salary. Miller, who was governor from 1991 to 1999, made improving teacher salaries a priority, pushing through annual raises of 6 percent during his second term.

Miller also backed 5 percent bonuses for teachers who earned the National Board for Professional Teaching Standards certification, the highest professional teaching credential. At the time, only a handful of teachers in Georgia and fewer than 100 nationally had earned the elite certification.

Right place, right time

By 1995 Georgia had moved up to 30th in the state ranking of teacher pay, and Stegall's salary was rising with the state tide. A promotion to assistant principal at Shiloh High also helped boost her paycheck. In a decade, her salary had more than doubled to $56,648.

In 2000, under the administration of Gov. Roy Barnes, Georgia's teacher pay jumped to 19th in the nation. Teachers averaged $41,122, just $700 below the national average.

By that time, Stegall had earned her doctorate and become assistant principal of Brookwood High, making $74,840. Now, as principal, she makes $108,433.

"I was in the right place at the right time," Stegall said. "I am a believer that there are some people who are lucky enough to find their calling in life. I was meant to be in education."

Robert Burke, principal of Fulton's Chattahoochee High School, who was paid $110,333 last year, has also been at both ends of the salary spectrum.

"When I was a teacher trying to support a family, I had to work three jobs. I taught adults at night. I also ran a youth center," he said.

Although lawmakers did not approve teacher raises this year, Superintendent Cox said the state would continue to find ways to reward teachers.

"The trend over the last decade demonstrates that Georgia has put teachers on the forefront of our efforts to improve education," Cox said, "and when the budget situation improves, you can rest assured that we will continue that trend."

National test scores have not correlated with rising pay. Despite ranking 19th in teacher pay, Georgia is 50th in SAT scores.

"It is so hard to evaluate good teaching -- you can't just do it on test scores alone," Stephens said. "It is very difficult to put a finger on performance and associate salary with it."

Just the possibility of a higher salary may inspire more students to pursue teaching careers and more teachers to become principals, said Tim Callahan, spokesman for the Professional Association of Georgia Educators, which has 57,000 members.

"There was a time when educators' salaries were pitiful," Callahan said.


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To: BushCountry
And little nickel and dime stuff, such as in my brother's school, where $10,000 was alloted for some new books for the ESL Department.

The teachers couldn't get the books they needed and were promised because that $10,000 (a paltry sum I admit as far as public school expenditures go, but it adds up) went missing and nobody knew where it went, and as far as I know, nobody bothered to investigate where it went.

I'm sure this goes on all the time -- nickel and dime stuff that adds up.

101 posted on 10/26/2003 9:25:33 AM PST by ladylib
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To: JohnSmithee
I went to a private school my final year of high school. It was a mixture of the children of the rich, gifted students, or those being offloaded by their parents. It really was a superior place to get an education.

I had just the opposite experience here in Texas.
I went to 2 different private schools, and had to go to a private tutor for math. No teachers at the private schools were any help. Then I went to public school my last two years and had excellent teachers.
My guess is that it's the inner-city schools that have the biggest problems.
102 posted on 10/26/2003 9:27:49 AM PST by CMClay
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To: US admirer
Do you or do you not think that the statement standing 6 hours a day was an exaggeration or not? What objective evidence do you have to counter someone who actaully worked in the job?

He has the objective evidence of someone who is still working in the job, unlike the opinion of someone who obviously couldn't hack it. Maybe the reason the kids weren't learning in your class was that you were sitting down behind your desk all the time instead of being up teaching, moving around, and helping the kids out...?

103 posted on 10/26/2003 9:28:41 AM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Only a fool depends on others for his education, because only he suffers the consequences of failure)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Fine. I'd rather let your teaching record speak for itself than listen to you sing your own praises about how wonderful everyone thought you were, so in that vain, just as long as you offered, give me a name and contact of a student of yours on the private reply if you have the guts, big-mouth, and we can see.

You certainly have no reservations about applauding yourself do you. Delusions... Hmmm you ever heard of projection?

It is interesting that you did not refute the my rebuttal of your obvious exaggerations and instead countered with ad hominems and self-laudatory BS.

Oh, and by the way, your comments about my punctuation are exactly the type of petty crap that I would expect from a blow-hard like you,,,,,"!?..

104 posted on 10/26/2003 9:31:53 AM PST by US admirer
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To: US admirer
You post a mixture of insults and unfounded assertions, and expect me to respond as though you're making a valid argument? Don't be absurd.

Incidentally, I hope you weren't an English teacher...yikes.

105 posted on 10/26/2003 9:33:42 AM PST by NittanyLion (Character Counts)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Well it was just the two graduate degrees that I pursued (one of which while teaching) that I guess convinced me that I just did not have the mettle that you so obviously possess and hence thought that such a difficult a job as teaching high school be left to someone so obviously capable as you.
106 posted on 10/26/2003 9:37:50 AM PST by US admirer
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To: NittanyLion
An incredibly resourceful and witty ripost. Your responses surely do you justice.
107 posted on 10/26/2003 9:42:10 AM PST by US admirer
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To: US admirer
Hmmm, and here I managed to get my graduate degree and still be a good teacher (at the college-level, while I was in school). If you don't want to hear me talk about myself, don't insult me by proxy (your general statements about teachers). And as soon as I get your personal info by Freep-mail, I'll send you mine (as I don't know what kind of nut-job you might be)...
108 posted on 10/26/2003 9:50:31 AM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Only a fool depends on others for his education, because only he suffers the consequences of failure)
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To: US admirer
An incredibly resourceful and witty ripost. Your responses surely do you justice.

My responses aren't intended to "do me justice", they're intended to provide a measured response to your childish tactics. And it's "riposte".

109 posted on 10/26/2003 9:52:26 AM PST by NittanyLion (Character Counts)
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To: CMClay
"I had just the opposite experience here in Texas.
I went to 2 different private schools, and had to go to a private tutor for math. No teachers at the private schools were any help. Then I went to public school my last two years and had excellent teachers."

The private school was actually a "prep" school, which I suppose for those motivated enough is a good environment. I also briefly went to a school that had over 4000 students. It was total chaos and you couldn't even walk in the halls between classes because there were so many wall-to-wall people. The only thing I remember is the physics instructor pronouncing spherical as 's-p-erical' instead of 's-f-erical'.
110 posted on 10/26/2003 9:53:44 AM PST by JohnSmithee
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Yada Yada Yada. Suspicions confirmed. You told me to ask a student of yours. I accepted. You obfuscate. You know and I know you will never give me a name. Next time keep your mouth shut if your not willing to back it up.
111 posted on 10/26/2003 9:58:17 AM PST by US admirer
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Willie Green; Mo1; ..
This is akin to the situation in suburban Philly.
112 posted on 10/26/2003 9:59:40 AM PST by Tribune7 (It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
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To: NittanyLion
ripost

\Ri*post"\, n. [F. riposte.] 1. In fencing, a return thrust after a parry.

2. A quick and sharp refort; a repartee. --J. Morley.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996,


ripost

Next time check your facts MORON.



113 posted on 10/26/2003 10:00:02 AM PST by US admirer
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To: ladylib
It is not only nickel and dime, but you make a good point. I remember when my school system bought $2,000,000.00 worth of software only to find out that their system was incompatible. It was an iron clad contract and they paid it anyways.

The other guy wants me to prove that there is no corruption in government run school systems. I think he believes that defense departments purchases are always on the up and up. That government agencies are corruption free and are models of efficiency. In reality I think he is living on a far better planet than me. };O)

Reminds me of a famous Russian saying, "The less you know the better you sleep."
114 posted on 10/26/2003 10:05:25 AM PST by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
You wrote:

"I sat down to play poker last night with 7 guys from the brokerage/banking industry. Guess which one of us was the only person not to complain about his salary and how he does all of the work, yada, yada, yada...? (*See, US admirer, that's how you use a question mark*) Anecdotes aren't evidence. You see the complaints teachers make in the newspapers more often because the goals of the liberal papers are the same as that of the liberal teachers unions. Their whines just get more media coverage.

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LOL...Of course I understand that anedotal evidence "is what it is". And you give a great example of it. I mentioned that, lack of hard concrete, certifiable numbers, anecdotal evidence was all I had. But I'm certain of it's validity. You aren't going to persuade me otherwise...at least not today. Hehehe...

Of course your media example is true.... and that exactly is part of my evidence. At least weekly, I hear, read or see "the whine" about teacher pay. And it's not "only" the media..that does it. Although that is the biggest part of the pie.

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You wrote:

Besides, I'm not dissatisfied with my pay (...more than anyone else is). I would just much rather have it be based on my performance rather than on some stupid seniority scale, as I know I would be making a lot more if it was (and many of the lousy teachers making a lot less, which is why the teachers unions... read that as "organizations invented to protect the incompetent"...will never let merit-based pay happen). I never have to worry about being employed, because when you are good at something you can always get a job doing it. I just hate watching the slacker down the hall screw over the kids and my school's general reputation, and still draw the same paycheck as I do...

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Once again...I agree. Especially the part about worrying about being employed...As that is my take also, and how I approach my job.

Best FRegards,

115 posted on 10/26/2003 10:05:25 AM PST by Osage Orange (Warning: Congress is in Session. Hide your valubles. Watch your purses, and wallets.)
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To: BushCountry
Did heads roll over that $2 million blunder?

I bet not.
116 posted on 10/26/2003 10:09:51 AM PST by ladylib
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To: Xenalyte
I am glad you said MOST anyone can teach, because I firmly believe that not everyone can.

I used to teach orchestra. My two sisters and a brother in law do teach. As far as I know, none of them are making a fortune. I certainly did not.

Being a music teacher sometimes gives you the opportunity to witness others do what you do for a living. I must say that in the music world, there are teachers out there who really have no clue how to get their students to succeed. I do not know the reason -- if it is a lack of knowledge, enthusiasm, drive or whatever. I have witnessed teachers telling students ways to do things in a manner that does more harm than good, and not willing to consider other techniques that might help them be more efficient in the classroom. I have witnessed teachers being completely happy with a poor effort from their students. Successful teachers make an effort to try different things, work with as many students as they can, and not give up when a student just doesn't understand. A battle has to be made between the teacher and ignorance. Many teachers after a few years are happy letting ingnorance win.

My point.... A warm body can complete the requirements to become a teacher, but not everyone has the skills or passion to be a good teacher. Unfortunately, those that do are a rare breed these days.

117 posted on 10/26/2003 10:20:21 AM PST by SaveTheChief
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To: US admirer

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Get a new dictionary. No wonder you couldn't cut it as a teacher.

118 posted on 10/26/2003 10:21:15 AM PST by NittanyLion (Character Counts)
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To: pt17
An interesting comparison...German teachers have class from 8AM to 1:30PM usually...and then use 2 to 3 hours each afternoon preparing for the next day. They split the class structure up after the 4th grade with the smartest kids in a special group...the capable students in a special group...and the undesirables in a special group. If you want to goof off...your whole life and future money-making ability is flushed down the toilet by being in the last group. Most German teachers make around $40k after 10 years...and few ever make more than $60k.
119 posted on 10/26/2003 10:26:26 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: ladylib
Actually you would lose the bet, one head rolled, it was a 2 million dollars disaster. However, the head that rolled was the wrong person, it was sad, because the head on the chopping block fought tooth and nail against the purchase, but was ordered by her superior to make it and suffered the ultimate price when things went sour.

120 posted on 10/26/2003 10:28:47 AM PST by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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