http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_michael.htm
Posted on 10/25/2003 11:05:35 PM PDT by cpforlife.org
From Debi Vinndege
this site (below) - links to the National Hospice..and now the pieces fall into place. Felos is the Director of the Fl Right to Die (formerly named the Fl Hemlock Society) Greer is on the Board of Directors at Hospice - Felos used to be too...and now we have the Hemlock Society of Hospice?....well isn't this a nice tidy package...and there is money going around, plus lobbying, legislation etc...read on and start worrying... would love to get the names of those who practice this!!!
Hospice for Hemlock Hospice and Right to Die Consultation http://www.hospiceforhemlock.com/_wsn/page2.html
Please copy the whole website to your harddrive as I suspect they might move or take it down entirely. -------------------------------------------- Now for the request for information.
As you all know a hearing is scheduled for Monday regarding Terri. My friend Debi Vinnedge of http://www.cogforlife.org (who lives in Clearwater, FL) filed a complaint with US AG Ashcroft on behalf of Terri’s parents and has been working on their behalf for a long while.
I emailed and asked if there was anything else going on. Here is her response:
we are going to see if we can get the FBI involved from DC - They need me to get a bullet list citing court or testimony that Greer refused to hear or ignored - all allegations of attempted or actual criminal behavior. I need this desperately but am at the RL conference in Miami and won't be back till late Sun night...any help would be greatly appreciated.
I then spoke with her and she clarified that it can't just be a news article that mentions: "court or testimony that Greer refused to hear or ignored - all allegations of attempted or actual criminal behavior."
But actual files to that effect.
She also mentioned a Federal case with a Lazara(?) in September that is important. WE NEED THIS
Also she has heard that there was a separate case with Greer in 1993 where a wife requested a protective order against an abusive husband and Greer "allegedly" blew her off. There seems to be a possible trend where Greer is allegedly "malfesent" in domestic violence cases. WE NEED THIS IF IT IS TRUE
So as not to duplicate, here is what I have. Please only post articles with links to "court or testimony that Greer refused to hear or ignored - all allegations of attempted or actual criminal behavior."
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Dr. Hammesfahr, of HAMMESFAHR NEUROLOGICAL INSTITUTE. http://www.hni-online.com/ emphatically stated that the neck spinal injury this patient incurred was by Strangulation. Schiavo's attorney avoided challenging Dr. Hammesfahr's strangulation statement. Proof of those statements below - video of the Dr saying it, along with saying that with therapy, her condition can improve. http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/schiavo_channel10_may7,8,2001.htm Debi, there are 5 video and audio clips. They total more than 20 MB’s so they wouldn’t be practical to email. All are available at the address above.
2. October 15, 2002 - Dr. Bambikidas's testimony confirmed Dr. Hammesfhar's testimony And this is a scanned image of the bone scan, the actual bone scan! While not proof of her condition, it proves there is something up here that someone is trying to hide. And it shows a good reason for Mike to see terri dead and the body destroyed quickly. http://www.friendsofterri.org/bone.html This will be an HTML file labeled “Bone Scan with highlighted entries”
3. AFFIDAVIT of Sara Green Mele is a Word Document. I copied from http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33875 Posted: August 2, 2003 Sara Green Mele has been engaged in the continuous private practice of speech-language pathology in section In her #5. “Based on my experience and my observations, Mrs. Schiavo is clearly aware of her environment and interacts with it, albeit inconsistently. She is able to comprehend spoken language, and can, at least inconsistently, follow simple one-step commands.” Mele continues on to say Terri is an excellent candidate for many types of therapy.
4. Disabled Woman's Family, Former Nurses Seek Inquiry is an HTML file. The article is dated Sept 10, 2003. I believe may be very important. It is the CNSnews article we discussed on the phone. I downloaded all the pdf files mentioned and labeled them the same as the link name. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200309\CUL20030910c.html
5. Disabled Woman Would Cry 'Help Me,' Caregivers Claim is a “related article” mentioned at the bottom of the above #4 It is dated September 03, 2003 http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/Archive/200309/CUL20030903b.html
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_michael.htm
1. Dr. Hammesfahr, of HAMMESFAHR NEUROLOGICAL INSTITUTE. http://www.hni-online.com/ emphatically stated that the neck spinal injury this patient incurred was by Strangulation. Schiavo's attorney avoided challenging Dr. Hammesfahr's strangulation statement. Proof of those statements below - video of the Dr saying it, along with saying that with therapy, her condition can improve. http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/schiavo_channel10_may7,8,2001.htm Debi, there are 5 video and audio clips. They total more than 20 MB's so they wouldn't be practical to email. All are available at the address above.
I listened to and watched all the audio and video at that Channel 10 link. There is no information about Dr. Hammesfahr stating anything about "Strangulation."
HOWEVER ---
In the second Channel 10 News clip, video for May 8, 2001 ---
Channel 10 5:00 PM Clip Part 2 - Dr. Hammesfahr coverage on Terri Schiavo case
--- the Channel 10 news anchor states:
An ex-girl friend of Michael Schiavo, is set to give a court deposition this week; Cindy Shook has said Michael once told her that he didn't know what his wife's wishes really were.
Cindy Shook, in that news anchor's report, is Cindy Brashers Shook, who is the court witness for May 8, 2001 in the chronology of events that are listed in iowamomfor freedom's Reply 48, above. Unfortunately, that chronology does not indicate Cindy's information, but the Channel 10 news anchor has provided a glimpse, here.
But in the end, this case is not about the aspirations that loving parents have for their children. It is about Theresa Schiavo's right to make her own decision, independent of her parents and independent of her husband. In circumstances such as these, when families cannot agree, the law has opened the doors of the circuit courts to permit trial judges to serve as surrogates or proxies to make decisions about lifeprolonging procedures.(Ths is the crux of the matter.) See In re Guardianship of Browning, 568 So. 2d 4 (Fla. 1990) (affirming In re Guardianship of Browning, 543 So. 2d 258, 273-74 (Fla. 2d DCA 1989)); see also § 765.401(3), Fla. Stat. (2000).
It is the trial judge's duty not to make the decision that the judge would make for himself or herself or for a loved one. Instead, the trial judge must make a decision that the clear and convincing evidence shows the ward would have made for herself. § 765.401(3). It is a thankless task, and one to be undertaken with care, objectivity, and a cautious legal standard designed to promote the value of life. But it is also a necessary function if all people are to be entitled to a personalized decision about life-prolonging procedures independent of the subjective and conflicting assessments of their friends and relatives.
It may be unfortunate that when families cannot agree, the best forum we can offer for this private, personal decision is a public courtroom and the best decision-maker we can provide is a judge with no prior knowledge of the ward, but the law currently provides no better solution that adequately protects the interests of promoting the value of life.
We have previously affirmed the guardianship court's decision in this regard, and we now affirm the denial of a motion for relief from that judgment. At the conclusion of our first opinion, we stated:
In the final analysis, the difficult question that faced the trial court was whether Theresa Marie Schindler Schiavo, not after a few weeks in a coma, but after ten years in a persistent vegetative state that has robbed her of most of her cerebrum and all but the most instinctive of neurological functions, with no hope of a medical cure but with sufficient money and strength of body to live indefinitely, would choose to continue the constant nursing care and the supporting tubes in hopes that a miracle would somehow recreate her missing brain tissue, or whether she would wish to permit a natural death process to take its course and for her family members and loved ones to be free to continue their lives. After due consideration, we conclude that the trial judge had clear and convincing evidence to answer this question as he did.
Schiavo I, 780 So. 2d at 180. Nothing in these proceedings has changed this conclusion. The extensive additional medical testimony in this record only confirms once again the guardianship court's initial decision.
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I am not a lawyer First_Salute but I can read English as well as any lawyer that I know thanks to an excellent public school education that is no longer available.
What this Appellate Court has said is that since there is no consensus among the family members indicating clear and convincing evidence of Terri's wishes, the courts will play God and make the decision for the family.
It is astounding. The reasoning of the Appellate Court is that since there is no clear and convincing evidence as witnessed by the various family members, the STATE will decide who lives and dies. Breathtaking in its scope when one really reads this stuff.
Torie, what say you? I trust you're opinion implicitly. Am I reading this wrong or right?
Affidavits are almost never allowed as evidence; did the Schindlers seek to call the affiants to the stand?
In your original post, above, your information states:
1. Dr. Hammesfahr, of HAMMESFAHR NEUROLOGICAL INSTITUTE. http://www.hni-online.com/ emphatically stated that the neck spinal injury this patient incurred was by Strangulation. Schiavo's attorney avoided challenging Dr. Hammesfahr's strangulation statement. Proof of those statements below - video of the Dr saying it, along with saying that with therapy, her condition can improve. http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/schiavo_channel10_may7,8,2001.htm Debi, there are 5 video and audio clips. They total more than 20 MB's so they wouldn't be practical to email. All are available at the address above.
I listened to and watched all the audio and video at that Channel 10 News link. There is no information there about Dr. Hammesfahr stating anything about "Strangulation."
However, at Schindler's attorney Pat Anderson to appear on Fox News with reaction to Michael on Larry King --- posted at FR, Oct. 27, 2003, by amdgmary ---
Greta van Susteren interviews Mr. and Mrs. Robert Schindler's attorney, Pat Anderson ---
Reply 22, by FL_engineer ---
From Greta's "On the Record" - Schiavo segment - Monday, 27 oct 2003
(this was taped in the hour immediatly after the L.K.Live interview)
[snip]Greta: Alright, um, is there ANY indications she had ANY head injuries from from any records there are... any physical injuries at all?
Anderson: There is a NOTATION that her neck was "rigid", and "stiff", and that her body was stiff, when she posit...[interrupted]
Greta: What does that mean? in the 40 seconds we have left, I'm sorry to do this time thing to you.
Anderson: Well, Dr. Hammesfahr, a neurologist who testified at a big evidenciary hearing last year, said HE had only seen ONE other neck THAT rigid, and that was in an attempted STRANGULATION victim. There's LOTS of questions about this case. LOTS of unanswered questions.
[snip]
Please note that, according to Atty. Anderson, Dr. Hammesfahr testified that "he had only seen one other neck that rigid, and that was in an attempted strangulation victim." Atty. Anderson did not state that Dr. Hammesfahr testified that his opinion was that Terri had been strangled.
The point here is that the court is operating as a body with a medical power of attorney of last resort. I favor that as a matter of public policy.
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