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Doctors Say Terri Not in PVS State, Could Recover With Proper Care
LifeNews.com ^ | October 25, 2003 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 10/25/2003 2:49:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: ClancyJ
Are we having a bad day?

Don't make me kill.

Again.

41 posted on 10/25/2003 4:06:42 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: Deep_6
Let's see how long we can make her suffer as Ms. Tomato this time around.

So, you post an excerpt of an article to support the contention that Schiavo cannot experience suffering, then in the SAME BREATH you turn around and try to claim that keeping alive is "making her suffer".

You lack of intellectual honesty is obvious and, given the gravity of this issue, repugnant.

42 posted on 10/25/2003 4:06:52 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: isrul
I don't doubt Dr. Hammesfahr's credentials.

According to the article, he never examined Terri.

This is from Seeing Signs Of Life:

On Sept. 3, 2002, Mary and Bob Schindler, Terri's father, readied their daughter for Dr. William Hammesfahr, a Clearwater neurologist who would spend three hours tugging at Terri's limbs, reading her expressions and movements, searching for evidence of the awareness the Schindlers, their other children and friends swear is still very much inside Terri's body.

The doctor began the examination by playing a recording of an up-tempo, jaunty version of "The Christmas Song," one of Terri's favorites from years earlier.

As the song started, she looked faintly confused and uncomfortable. By the end of the first verse, her expression suddenly changed into what looked like surprised recognition. She made a noise that sounded like laughter, and she seemed to smile. She tossed her head back. She listened to the rest of the song, her expression more relaxed.

These and other reactions she would have later are not those of a vegetative person, her parents said. Dr. Hammesfahr concluded the same.


So, yes, he did examine her.
43 posted on 10/25/2003 4:10:36 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: sweetliberty
But it is my understanding that he HAS examined her medical records and the bone scan.

See my #43.

44 posted on 10/25/2003 4:11:39 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Lazamataz
Oh Laz, that's not nice. This newbie needs some bootcamp.

HTML Bootcamp that is!
45 posted on 10/25/2003 4:12:45 PM PDT by netmilsmom ( We are SITCOMs-single income, two kids, oppressive mortgage.)
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To: sweetliberty
Why not just put a sack over Terris head if she would not feel a thing?
46 posted on 10/25/2003 4:16:41 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: nickcarraway
There was an article in Scientific American, I believe, that documented the retraining of a person who had brain cancer and was saved by a hemisphere-ectomy. One half o the brain was excised, (left or right but the whole enchilada!).

The physical/mental therapy took a while but significant results were obtained. It is the lack of this effort by the husband, who is accused of foresaking physical therapy, which should be examined.

The old saw says that we only use 10% of our brain's capacity. Was this capability squandered, or worse still, destroyed by the husband's plan?

47 posted on 10/25/2003 4:25:53 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Toskrin
Hammesfahr is not a quack and you know it.
You can also find him on this page:

http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/nominating_letter_for_the_Nobel.htm

And more links here, pertaining to Hammesfahr's reputation:

http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/professional_and_media_recognition.htm
48 posted on 10/25/2003 4:30:27 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Lazamataz; Sir Valentino
Hey Laz! His heart and mind are right.

Sir Valentino, check this link:

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49 posted on 10/25/2003 4:35:23 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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To: Sir Valentino
"Who knows, once Terri gets the *PHYSICAL THERAPY* she needs, she might be able to run for the senate *HERSELF*!"

'I don't think it's possible to teach an immobile person, particularly, one that is not able to communicate to operate a wheelchair and do even the simplest math problems on a computer. What good would that person be to society? Show me one person that ever accomplished that.'

"Call for Stephen Hawking. Pick up on Line One!"

50 posted on 10/25/2003 4:39:33 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: nmh
I agree. I think he doesn't want her to recover enough to communicate that he was attempting to murder her.
51 posted on 10/25/2003 4:46:12 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (He is no fool who would give what he cannot keep to gain what he can never lose. - Jim Elliot)
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To: Sloth
Deep 6 also mocks a religious belief when comparing it to UFO's. Such casual disrespect of the thousands of years of development of philosophies based on religious belief systems is intellectualy dishonest.
52 posted on 10/25/2003 4:46:16 PM PDT by bvw
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To: nickcarraway
Check This Out

A picture is worth a million words

53 posted on 10/25/2003 4:48:48 PM PDT by slimer ("The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato)
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To: sweetliberty
She'd probably be more useful and responsive

You posted this so much more nicely than I was going to :')

54 posted on 10/25/2003 4:51:49 PM PDT by CindyDawg (All the above is JUST my opinion :'))
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To: Lazamataz
I'll sure as heck try.

That's what I'm doing on the Terri threads trying to prevent all from killing.
55 posted on 10/25/2003 5:51:57 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: ClancyJ
Re:
".."Are we to kill her too?"...."

There are times, like these, that I feel I've dropped into
some liberal democrat's forum....

There isn't a decision to "kill" anyone. There was a decision
to take her off an external life support system. That life
support system is for her nutrition.

She cannot be spoon fed without her choking; she cannot
drink liquids without choking; choking that leads to asphyxiation;
regurgitation that leads to asphyxiation; either, leading to
lung disease and/or heart failure.

She cannot and has not been able to eat or drink without
the system that she's been using for 13+ years. There is
no hope that the condition will change, due to the loss of
her Cerebral Cortex and that area being filled with spinal
fluid. The Cerebral Cortex cannot "re-grow" or "be repaired".
Once the cortex is gone, it is gone.

Terri has been in a coma; a vegetated state, for the past
13 years. Nothing has changed.

The court had to determine if the legal guardian has the 
right to decide if Terri should remain on that life support
system or not. 

In the absence of a "Living Will", the state of Florida gives
the next of kin; the legal guardian that right to decide.

The court found in the only manner it could, and in the only
moral manner it could. It is the individual's right to decide
to live on life support or not. In lieu and lack of the ability
to make such decision, the legal guardian has that responsibility.

To remove that right from the public's hands, is to deny the
right to life or death to every individual. If it worries you,
make out a "living will" tomorrow.

I'm not sure if I could have the courage to pull the plug on
my wife, but I hope she has the courage to yank mine.

I would not want to be a vegetable; to have a body alive
and a dead mind. I would not want to bring such sorrow
to my family for such an extended period of time, when
no hope exists.

Why would anyone want to forcibly subject their partners
to such sorrow and grief unnecessarily. 

Terri's gone. Let her soul rest.

56 posted on 10/25/2003 5:52:35 PM PDT by Deep_6
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To: isrul
Well, sorry - you just do not have that right. We are not in the business of judging quality of life. These are family members - not pets.
57 posted on 10/25/2003 5:52:56 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: Deep_6
Why would anyone want to forcibly subject their partners to such sorrow and grief unnecessari

Follow your name and take off.

58 posted on 10/25/2003 5:54:31 PM PDT by itsahoot (The lesser of two evils, is evil still...Alan Keyes)
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To: sweetliberty
And why did they have to give her morphine treatments to ease her pain from the starvation/dehydration she was being subjected to? People in comas do not have pain.
59 posted on 10/25/2003 6:03:10 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat (Help us elect Republicans in Kentucky! Click on my name for links to all the 2003 candidates!)
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To: bvw
Re:
"...Deep 6 also mocks a religious belief when comparing it to UFO's. 
Such casual disrespect of the thousands of years of development of 
philosophies based on religious belief systems is intellectualy dishonest.
..."

The words were:
"The hype about Terri's case is akin to the hype over UFOs or religious belief."

Hype: propaganda, hard sell, advertisement, excitement. And yes, there
are similarities in the hot-headed belief in either.

And for the record sir, there is a vast difference between the belief in God,
and the belief that one religious practice or belief is better than another.

Again:
The hype about Terri's case is akin to the hype over UFOs or religious belief.

60 posted on 10/25/2003 6:18:58 PM PDT by Deep_6
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